Intel Core i7 (Nehalem) Will Be Released September

[T_Flight]

The title says it. Intel has officially released a ststement confirming the release of the new Nehalem Based CPU's in September. It will be a "soft release" meaning we won't be seeing many until probably around October Timeframe. This just gives permission for the board manuafacturers to release their boards and a few scattered e-tailers to sell them, but I seriously doubt we'll see very mnay boiards released until around October. We'll be able to gear up with the good stuff around Christmas timeframe.

I'm waiting until year's end. The BIOS's for these are brand new. The boards are brand new. This is bleeding edge stuff, so there WILL be little niggles with some of these boards. I'm gonna wait until around December because the BIOS updates should be starting by then.

The Nehalem has also been named. These CPU's will be called "Core i7". That is the official name. Nehalem was the codename, and Bloomfield was the codename for the version of the LGA 1366 CPU, but we now have a real name. The Branding for it, is in my Avatar. That is the official logo for the new Core i7 line of CPU's.

[Caddie87th]

what brand-type of motherboard would you advise T-Flight with this uber processor?

Grtz

[Prophet]

ASUS IMO.

I will be waiting until next year I am sure. There is no way in hell I will be buying something during the holiday season. I am sure the prices will have a premium.

[BHawthorne]

EVGA ofcourse with the 200 nForce chip. :thumb:

[T_Flight]

I suspect ASUS or Abit with an X58 Chipset. You will also be able to get these with the nForce200 chip on there to support SLi in combination with the X58. It will clock high that way and be very stable but you would have the SLi capability if you wanted it too.

I may or may not go that route...the SLi chipset route. I may go ahead and get a board without the 200 chipset. Intel has an agreement with nVidia now for SLi support on the X58 and there will be boards with it. It's just a question of how long. Asus haas p[romissed to be first, but will they come out with high level enthusiast boards? It's pretty early right now. I'd wait until December before buying. It will be quite difficult to get a system running if you have an issue. These BIOS versions are brand new. The QPI will cause some confusion also. Remember the FSB is now gone. No more Front Side Bus.

Personally I'm waiting until November to December timeframe for the "enthusiast level" stuff to come out. I need a high end OC'ing board.

I will be going with water and will be able to get some pretty high stable OC's so I need good stable stuff that runs as cool as I can get. The cooling solutions on the NB will have to be good as they will still run hot. Hotter than they ran even with the mem controller taken off.

I will be running the EVGA GTX280 Watercooled version, so I will be giving EVGA some love too! That was just for BHawthorne. That's alot of love too considering that is the highest end card they make right now. :smile:

I like the Asus and Abit stuff, but right now they have not shown their high end OC'ing boards and cooling solutions. This week is IDF so maybe we'll hear some more. I also like Intel chipsets with Intel CPU's. I'm an OC'er. I haven't ran a system stock in 20 years. These Intel system seem to OC so much higher and stay stable at higher levels with the Intel chipset. That X58 is gonna be a killer chipset too.

I think NDA's are probably lifted now too. They may still have the guys under NDA as far as OC'ing headroom is concerned though. I haven't seen benchmarks with OC's or any of these systems "wrung out". It may be becasue the boards are still in their infancy.

We're almost there, but not quite.

[BHawthorne]

I will be running the EVGA GTX280 Watercooled version, so I will be giving EVGA some love too! That was just for BHawthorne. That's alot of love too considering that is the highest end card they make right now. :smile:

Good block+card option, but expensive. :thumb:

I used to Danger Den watercool a few years ago with my nForce4 6800U SLI old rig. I was always so stressed out about potential leak problems that I ended up pulling it. Actually thinking back, I did RMA one of those 6800U's because of a leak. There are more and safer connector options now than there were back then though. I'd never use screw clamps again for tubing connections.

[Caddie87th]

Is this thing coolable in a conventional way? Reason im asking is that I travel alot with my system to flightsim-events and LANparties. So watercooling to me seems a bit tricky to transport.

GRtz

[T_Flight]

Good block+card option, but expensive. :thumb:

I used to Danger Den watercool a few years ago with my nForce4 6800U SLI old rig. I was always so stressed out about potential leak problems that I ended up pulling it. Actually thinking back, I did RMA one of those 6800U's because of a leak. There are more and safer connector options now than there were back then though. I'd never use screw clamps again for tubing connections.

Yes, I said I would not pay more than 500 for it, and figured it would come down in price alot after the initial 800 dollar debut, and it has. I have found a couple of places selling it for right around 500. I'm hoping it comes down a bit more around December timeframe. I might build in November, but right now it's looking like December.

If I can find the right sizes I might use the high pressure Fuel line fittings for race cars, but I need to look into that. That's just an idea I had. I don't know whether it will work, or even if the sizes are compatible. It depends on what type of thread is used. There will be no leaks on my system. It will be bled and then ran for 24 hours, and leak tested before before I boot it up. Those fittings on race cars are darn near infallible. People put thweir life on the line with them. If a Top Fuel Dragster develops a leak with the high pressure they use it would be an inferno instantly. I'm hoping that trick works.

[T_Flight]

Is this thing coolable in a conventional way? Reason im asking is that I travel alot with my system to flightsim-events and LANparties. So watercooling to me seems a bit tricky to transport.

GRtz

I wouldn't see why not. The Processor has a TDP of 130w, so it's gonna be on the warm side, so OC's wouldn't be as high without water, but of course it's the same with cooling for every CPU.

On the GTX280 I'm less optomistic. These new cards are running hotter. From what I've read *all* of them are running hotter. The ATi and nVidia offerings are running hotter. On that you may want to look into card manufacturers that have taken on non-standard high end cooling specfficly designed for these cards. I think we've about reached the limit of those flat turbine wheel like fans and may have to go to some larger fan designs that take up more room. That is one of the reasons I'm going with water from the get go.

[T_Flight]

More new info.

May I present to the Fifghter Ops forum the Asus P6T Deluxe, and it looks to have a mighty fine cooling solution. I saw this board awhile back, but they wen't showing the cooling them...it was bare bones.


http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=659728&pid=589676050&st=0&#entry589676050

I'm still trying to figure out if this board has the NF200 Sli chip on it or not. I've seen some conflicting stories. It looks like it might be on there becasue of the size of that massive chipset cooler. There could be alot hiding under that, but can't say for sure.

This is definitely an "Enthusisast Level" Motherboard. That's good stuff right there. I expect it won't be cheap either with all those options. My bet is *at least* 220 dollars, and could be as high as 300-350 dollars. Of course you get what you pay for with mobo's. You can have the best CPU in the world and it won't OC worth a damn without a good stable board and good cooling.

I wanna see testing and OC'ing now on this one. I'm curious how these new BIOS's are working.

[T_Flight]

Yet more info I have dug up from the Nehalemnews Forum.

The P6T will support both SLi and Crossfire! :thumb:

This board is outstanding from the specs I ahve seen, and supports all ther latest stuff. My bet is they will make a couple of unber versions of this board. They might even comne out with a watercooled version of it.

This board has it all. It even has an SAS controller that is compatible with SAS and SATA both! SAS are server level drives.

This board has an I/O section on the back that has everything. I like it. I like it alot. Right now it's on my short list. I'll be watching this board and how it OC's very carefully, and it may very well be the board I choose.

[T_Flight]

I just got an update from Xtreme Systems and see that Intel has officially stated they will release this CPU November and the boards will be released then also. :thumb:

They didn't say which week, but my bet is week 2 in Novemeber. Keeping fingers crossed.

[BHawthorne]

EVGA just released info today confirming they're releasing a X58 based mobo. See, I told you they'd make one awhile back. :thumb:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9596/evgax58layoutda5aq5.jpg

[T_Flight]

Yes, I saw it on XS. I'm watching it carefully. I nedd ot talk with you sometime about a FTW. I think I wanna do my own WC on it. It'll come out alot cheaper for me, and I can get real good performance with a Dtek block and unisink and still be able to use the block down the road, where I wouldn;t be able to with a FC block.

I just bought a MM Extended Ascension case and am really anxious to get it. I'm gonna put Automotive Paint on it. I ordere dit bare Aluminum, and I'm gonna put a glass smooth paint job on it. :thumb:

I'm hoping this stuff comes out soon. I really need to get this build done before ht end of the year. I have some simulations to run and have a program here I need a multicore setup for, and don;t wanna have to buya 775 system when the new socket is right here at release. I really want that nehalem.

I'll tell 'ya what, I'll test that board out for you. Make sure that sucker has OC'ing options, becasue I'm gonna wring it out. I'm looking at this board now and the Asus stuff. I really like the layout of the EVGA board, and it would be sweet to have a matching mobo and Graphics Card! That would be awesome.

I've already got some serious money tied up in the stuff I've got, and need alot more yet. I know how to OC these things, and benchmark them. I've been up there before, and with this bleeding edge stuff I hate to think what I could do. Once I test everything and am sure it's stable, and everything is ok and has run for a week or more, I;'ll start putting the water to it, then OC'ing it a bit and testing at each step.

I also need to do some study on the Nehalem to learn it a bit and learn the BIOS. I don;t have info on speciffics becasue they got all that stuff locked up under NDA right now, and anything I have heard is just that...heard...not confirmed.

I think we're close though, unless something goes wrong. I feel like we're inside the 1 month to go or less. The title needs to be changed on this thread though. They blew right through the Spetember release. I guess that was another Fud for us. heh

I'm *ready* for this thing right now. I have the money, and the CPU, board and RAM is what is holding me up. They also have the waterblock brackets on hold becasue of NDA too. It's rediculous. I can't evebn get the waterblock here becasue they can;t release the damn holdown plates and backplates for them yet. I'm stuck until Intel lifts that dang NDA.

[Afterburner]

Watercooling is completely safe, my PC's living proof.... :tongue:

*have not built my latest loop yet, parts as listed*

[BHawthorne]

Watercooling is completely safe, my PC's living proof.... :tongue:

*have not built my latest loop yet, parts as listed*

Water cooling is only as safe as the person installing it and maintaining it. And many people would never admit they're mistake prone. :wink2:

[Playloud]

It's probably safer than trying to mount Thermalright's new 1900g (without the fan) heatsink due to be released soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/playloud/1-3.jpg

They even recommend mounting it on horizontal surfaces.

[BHawthorne]

That's a lot of copper. :)

[Afterburner]

Water cooling is only as safe as the person installing it and maintaining it. And many people would never admit they're mistake prone. :wink2: True... :smile:

[verana_ss]

woow i7 bench is out

seems disabling HT is good for most application?

[BHawthorne]

Anyone else hoping they release the ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution? IMHO, time to get rid of all those out dated slots. The way it should be 6 PCIe slots and nothing else. :)

[Afterburner]

I lurve my modfied PCI X-Fi Xtreme Music alot..... :tongue: :lol

[T_Flight]

Watercooling is only as safe as those who leak test their loop prior to booting. :wink2:

If you rush through a build with watercooling it's a disaster waiting to happen. I've seen it on XS time and time again. Every time I've seen hardware death due to water, it was because the builder did not follow the stickies in the WC section and leak test. They did a hot fire test with the whole system powered up.

That is a mistake I will NOT be making with a system that will have over 3000 dollars of hardware put into it. That is a guarantee.

[Afterburner]

Leak Test ?

What leak test.... :evils: :tongue:

[T_Flight]

:whip Allright you up there. I'm gonna start calling you "gambler". :rofl

You should allready know better. C'mon man, people will read this stuff, let's help 'em out. We don't want anyone to suffer a hardware loss due to a drip. You allready know this happens.

I'm gonna take my Black Ice Rad and throw it at you. :rofl

[Afterburner]

Alright alright....I'll stop :tongue:

[BHawthorne]

:whip Allright you up there. I'm gonna start calling you "gambler". :rofl

You should allready know better. C'mon man, people will read this stuff, let's help 'em out. We don't want anyone to suffer a hardware loss due to a drip. You allready know this happens.

I'm gonna take my Black Ice Rad and throw it at you. :rofl


Several years ago my Danger Den setup suffered a leak on a 6800U. RMA was a painless process though. Only lost the shipping cost in the whole drama. :smile:

[T_Flight]

Yeah I gotta be real careful with stuff. Don't want any leaks. All my stuff will be coper or delrin, and no acrylic except for the EK res. It's very thick though so I'm not worried about it cracking. It will be well away from stuff anyway.

I'm also gonna clamp all my lines and give the barbs a drop of super glue to make sure nothing leaks or comes loose. Everything will be pressure tested and leak tested beofr powering up the system for a full 24 hours. I'm not taking any chances.

[cujo]

What do you think about the Gigabyte EX58-UD5. I got it few days ago. I`m thinking getting pair of EVEGA 280 GTX, Raid 0 150G Velociraptors, i7920 and Antec 1200 case. I`m not sure about ram and cpu cooler. Any suggestions.

[Prophet]

T_Flight, just remember that the leak test is very important. Unplug the power to the mobo and everything but the pump. Short the green wire to black on the 24pin cable. Lay 1 layer of toilet paper over everything. This is because toilet paper dissolves with just a hint of moisture. Turn her on, get her bled, and let it run for 24hours.

I have tried all clamps. All of them leaked. The only thing that worked for me was 2 small zip ties. 1 zip tie will leak under the knot, and so you use another with the knot ~180deg away.

I currently have the Maximus Formula, which is OK for WC but the barbs are 3/8", and the block is not replaceable. The Rampage too Extreme should be better, stock is 1/2 barbs, I would prefer to replace it with something that has removable barbs. I want to use 45deg bent fitting, but less tubing, less chance of kinking, and it looks nice. The Swiftech GTX has been great for the E6600, but I am going to give the GTZ a try since my GTX has the aluminum plated top.

i7 290
ASUS Rampage too Extreme
2*3GB PC12600 Corsair Dominator

Shipped today :thumb:

Lets see what you can do with that EE T :bigsmile:

[Cougar12dk]

Prophet: I'm curious....aren't DDR3's supposed to be matched in "pairs" of three?

Or do you mean 3x2GB? PC12600?

[Prophet]

Yup sorry about that. 3*2GB. Same thing that T is getting.

I also got the Swiftech GTZ and NBMax on order. I got the NBMax mostly because I can use barbs. So I ordered some bitspower 45deg fittings which will drastically cut down on the amount of tubing used, and the size of the arches of tubes and therefor kinks.

I will post some pics once I get it done.

[Cougar12dk]

Cool :) I'll be looking forward to that :)...... while dreaming of days, whn i can afford do soup up my own computer even the slightest bit :D

[T_Flight]

Hey Guys,
Long time no see. I've been sooo busy, and I am soooo tired. I've been spending every spare minute on this new system. I have it setup on the bench, but have had a few issues. One of the video card was defective and needed to be RMA's so I'm waitin gon that. I did get it booted up though.

If you are looking at an i7 system and want to build one, DO IT!!! :thumb:

Aw, and Prophet? Take a look at Corsairs Dominators. I have the new CORSAIR TR3X6G1600C8D 6GB PC3-12800+ (DDR3-1600+) CL8 Triple Channel Memory. It looks like it may have some OC'ing potential in it. I read one guys reply to me saying he had his up over 1800 (can't remember the exact number), and was running it 7-7-7-20-2T. I don't know if that was stable or not though. I'll have to test it myself to see what they have in them. I isolate the RAM when clocking it to find it's max. i do the same for each component. With the new IMC and QPI you can't get max mem with max CPU OC, but you can get it pretty close. That's why I isolate each component to find it's OC wall first and then bring each compent up together slowly one bump at a time.

Get water cooling! Get a stock HSF ina retail box CPU too in case you need cooling for the event that your loop would have to be taken down. This thing *needs* water. Good air will do it, but water is MUCH MUCH better.

I'm getting ready to do some more file copying so i've got to get back to work here, but i wnated to stop by and let you guys know where I've been.

I haven't forgotten about my promise in ym build thread. I've got to get to the place where i can get decent pictures. Patience...they will come, and there will be alot of detail. This is a mjor build. if I told you guys the ammount of hours i have put into this machine you would not believe me.

When you see it, and see the sceenshots of the benchmarks though, you will see why. This machine is a beast! It will be able to do *ANY* type of multimedia work anyone could ever want including Blu-Ray burning, encoding, folding, sound/music with 8channel surround, Full 1080i HD, games, simulations, engineerring and flow modelling, CADD. Name it, and it will do it. This machine has Vista 64 SP1 and XP Pro SP3 in dual boot so I am compatible with any standard now.

I have a total of 1420 watts of Power Units at my disposal with dual PSU's.

It will literally be a full multimedia gaming grade OC'er HTPC and 24/7 folding monster. It will be the showpiece of my office and "spare time" room. :firework:

Now I need a drink...where's that bottle? Ahhh, there it is :alcohol:

Let's all get ready for FF5! Let's all get together andf fly the day it comes out online. Maybe we could all do a HUGE formation flyby all together and capture video of it. I might even do one of my infamous inverted low passes over the runway. :thumb:

[T_Flight]

What do you think about the Gigabyte EX58-UD5. I got it few days ago. I`m thinking getting pair of EVEGA 280 GTX, Raid 0 150G Velociraptors, i7920 and Antec 1200 case. I`m not sure about ram and cpu cooler. Any suggestions.

That board is an excellent OC'er. They do have some "slight" BIOS bugs, but nothing major. There WILL be BIOS revisions for these boards. This is brand new technology, so tread carefully if you are OC'ing. I'm measuring all my voltages through my Rampage II Extreme's ProbeIT. It has special points to measure those voltages. I don't trust the BIOS's right now and for good reason, they were off on the original BIOS's. They have now tweaked those, but that is merely one example. Check ****everything**** carefully and methodically if you OC these new boards and CPU's and RAM. Study. Study how everything works and why it works. Do NOT rely on somebody else's setting without understanding why they used those settings. SOme of these Xtreme OC'ers do not care about how long stuff lasts. Mnay of them are sponsored, and mnay of them have lots of money and get into it for performance record setting. Many are NOT 24/7 settings.

I do 24/7 stable and somewhat ''safe'' OC's. There are not any guarantees with it, but I've had good luck with it. You have to be very careful though, and understand it.

That board is capable of very high clock levels. it is a good board. Records have been set already with it. The same goes for the Rampage II Extreme and the P6T series.

Please...be careful with this stuff guys. I would not want anyone to suffer a hardware failure with this expesnive stuff. I'm always paranoid about that when i start talking about OC'ing. If you are ever unsure about anything ask at a forum like XS, and back off the OC until you are sure. EVery one of these CPU's are different, and you have to "find" the level where each one is comfortable. There are tricks to it. Personally I make an adjustment and test for atbaility at each mump in OC level. I also bechmark to make sure my scores make sense. if they don;t or if they go down with an increase in OC that means something is wrong and I find out why, and i back off until I do. It takes a long time and alot of work once you get them built, but if you're careful, they will last.

This is very powerful hardware even running stock. OC'd it's extremely powerful, but if it gets torched it's an expensive pile of trash. I have well over 3000 dollars worth of equipment, and I;'m still buying odds and ends.

[Prophet]

Still waiting on the bitspower female to female couplers.

Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600
R2E with NBMax. 1 Bitspower 45deg rotating fitting and bitspower stubby.
i7 920 with GTZ, 2 Bitspower 45deg rotating fittings, 1 stubby to NB and normal barb from rad.
4870 with MCW60-4870, 2 Koolance VID 1 space to extend out. These are where I need the female to female connectors. I will use 2 of the bitspower dual rotary 90deg fittings.
MCRES with 1 bitspower dual rotary fitting to pump and a straight barb.
D5 vario with Detroit top, hard to see.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0007.jpg

CPU tag.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0021.jpg

Everything but some fittings and hose.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0014.jpg

Here is my pump sitting on top of my DVD/RW. If you notice the barb is a double swivel 90deg bitspower barb, freaking marvelous piece. It prevents the kink I was getting before.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0015.jpg

My 4870 1GB with the MCW60-4870 mounted.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0017.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0026.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0027.jpg

I eventually intend to run the rad fill hose to the top of the case. Now I just made the tube long enough to make it easy to fill.

:up:

[_Big_Mac_]

Looks like something you would need a government permit to run :bigsmile:

[Prophet]

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0029.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0032.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0033.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/DSCN0034.jpg

Stock settings, idle and loaded. The TIM isnt cured yet either.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/i7idle.jpg

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/watercooling/i7p95.jpg

[T_Flight]

Prophet,
That's outstanding. I'm still testing and benchmarking mine on air. I bumped it up and did my first OC, and can tell this CPU has alot in it. I may be able to get to 4.2GHz on water for benching, and maintain 4.0GHz 24/7 for folding and everything.

You might wanna check what your temps are with CoreTemp. I'm not sure how accurate Everest is with temps. Most of the guys at XS are using CoreTemp and RealTemp. RealTemp will show 10C less than CoreTemp unless you adjust the TjMax to 100C.

I've also seen that the Rampage II Extreme's are getting slightly better scores in the gaming area. They seem a little more efficient in the Chess Benchmark also. That Corsair Dominator 1600 was tailor made for this setup. I'm getting a 2:12 ratio at DDR3 1684(?) I think that was the number at 8-8-8-24-1T at the advertised 1.65v.

I loaded up a Copy of Company of heroes I had laying around here, and ran the System test with all settings cranked to the max and got 60FPS max, 57.8FPS average, and 27.9FPS min! Aw, I forgot...that with CSAA8xQ instead of 16, but everything else as high as it would go. It was beautiful. I mean absolutely stunning. That GTX280 SSC really rocks! I might get another GTX280 later and go SLI. I gotta get the water first though, and get my case painted and stuff. SLI will be much later down the road if I do decide to do that.

These i7's are amazing. I love it. We're already seeing game titles that take advanatge of multithreading, and these multi core CPU's. I cannot wait to see what Fighter Ops is gonna be like. It is gonna be so very cool. :thumb:

[Azazel]

Anyone try alittle 24 hr epoxy where the tube meets the metal for a drip solution yet? My advice would be to use the 24 hr kind because the 5 min stuff is real brittle and doesn't hold as well. I use 24 hr epoxy on all my R/C wing joints (where the wings meet is where they take most of the stress) and once it dries the stuff basically becomes a flexable plastic (not brittle at all like the 5 min epoxy). It would definately be a permanent deal once the epoxy sets but leakage would be extemely unlikely as it'll bond to metal just fine. Just a thought.
Azazel

[Prophet]

Epoxy would be bad. The hose is porous, and eventually degrades. Fittings and barbs are not cheap.

7/16 hose on 1/2 barbs provides a perfect seal. Those zipties just keep the hose from being pulled off.

[T_Flight]

Yes, do not use expoxy to fix a problem like that. If you have a leak, there is something wrong. Nothing should be needed other than to screw the fitting down hand tight, then turn it approximately 1/4 turn with a small socket or wrench...gently. O-Rings are designed to make a perfect leak free seal. If they are not, replece them, or the fitting if something is wrong. If there is saomething wrong with the part they are screwing into then there is something wrong there as well.

With hoses, there are a number of ways to prevent leaks. You can use ciompression fittings. Those are the most expensive, but also the least like to leak. They also have a nice look, and many people buy them just for the looks, but they are mainly designed for leak free use, and give a very strong connection that is almost impossible to pop loose unless you willfull uncrew the retainer. They are even tough to get off once screwed down.

The next is using reuseable clips called "Herbie Clips". These are plastic, reuseable, and you can buy them in different colors and sizes. You can get these from McMaster Carr, or Watercooling places that specialize in watercooling. If your unsure go with a dedicated watercooling e-tailer as they have experience and can help you choose the best option. One of my favorites is Petra's Tech Shop. Alex is the owner, and he is very knowledgeable about these systems. He has done a tremendous ammount of testing, and development, and is highly respected in the watercooling community.

Other types are various types of band clamps like you'd find on cars. These are "worm drive" type clamps. They are not quite circular so care has to be taken not to tighten them too much. You just wanna snug thease up...don't wrech down like a bear on stuff. That's the trick with those. There is another type called a "band clamp" that is completely circular and makes contact all the waty around the circumference. These are a little better than the worm drive type, but slightly more expensive...make a few cents to a dime a piece more.

You can use zip ties. i recommend using two if you use these. Zip one up, and note where the end or termination of the tie is, and then place another with the end or termination 180 degrees opposite that of the first zip tie.

Once could also use safety wire even. Again, be careful not to overtighten as this could cut into the hose and cause a catastrophic geiser that will hose your system down.

The trick with all of those methods is to get stuff tight, but don't get too agressive with it. Don't break out big Ox wrenches and 1/2 inch drive socket sets or god forbid Deisel tools to tighten this stuff. It needs to be secure though. Over tightening is just as bad as not tight enough and can actual;ly damage radiator donuts, tear O-rings, cut and gouse hoses, and cause catastrophic failures.

Aw, and a good trick for O-rings is to lube them slightly. I always take O-rings loose and use a buit of Slick 50 One Grease, but you can use vaseline too. i prefer no petroleum based prioducts becasue some types of O-rings break down with petroleum products. You don't need to slop it on there or anything. Just take a dab some on your forefinger and thumb and rub them together, and then rub the O-ring in between your thumb and forefinger to shine it up a bit. This keep the O-rings from dragging when they come under compression which can cause them to tear. I learned this trick from large Rocket motors where O-rings are also critical. It carried over to my Rad also. It's always a good idea to very lightly lube any O-ring where a part will be tightened against it.

Hope this helps. :smile:

[Maple]

In relation to:
im getting 2.844GHZ out of my Q6600(2.4GZ) with stock fans and running GPU 44 C, MCP 55, Good temps, pretty stable, ran Folding for about 10+ hours no problem and MSFS for about 1.5 hours.:thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/core5.jpg

[T_Flight]

Here's my i7 recently tweaked. The Next thing is water. The benchmark shown loads all 8 threads to 100%. That will give the max temps shown. With games it barely phases the CPU. I played Fallout 3 for 3 hours lastnight at those clocks and the CPU didn't even get warm. It's not 100% Prime tested stbale at that yet, but it will be after water. I *will* get at least 4GHz stable out of this rig...maybe 4.2GHz.

Nothing crunches through data faster than one of these i7's. I've never seen a CPU make such a gigantic leap in performance like this. It suually comes in small steps, but this thing is in a completely different league. At those 4GHz clocks a QX9750 running at over 5GHz still won't match it.

[Maple]

Here's my i7 recently tweaked. The Next thing is water. The benchmark shown loads all 8 threads to 100%. That will give the max temps shown. With games it barely phases the CPU. I played Fallout 3 for 3 hours lastnight at those clocks and the CPU didn't even get warm. It's not 100% Prime tested stbale at that yet, but it will be after water. I *will* get at least 4GHz stable out of this rig...maybe 4.2GHz.

Nothing crunches through data faster than one of these i7's. I've never seen a CPU make such a gigantic leap in performance like this. It suually comes in small steps, but this thing is in a completely different league. At those 4GHz clocks a QX9750 running at over 5GHz still won't match it.

awesome rig. :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

[Prophet]

In relation to:
im getting 2.844GHZ out of my Q6600(2.4GZ) with stock fans and running GPU 44 C, MCP 55, Good temps, pretty stable, ran Folding for about 10+ hours no problem and MSFS for about 1.5 hours.:thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/core5.jpg

Considering you have the G0 stepping, you should be able to get far better as long as you have the RAM to support the FSB. And cooling of course.

The Q6600 G0 is a solid chip.