Bloomfield (Nehalem) 2.93 Benchmarks Revealed

[T_Flight]

Here they are. These are Benchmarks with early hardware. These benches are already smokin' everything out there, and will only get better when the high end motherboards from Asus and Abit are released. This was also an Engineering Sample. Full End user versions will be tweaked. This new CPU smokes AMD's best offering by over 30% and the board it's running on is not even an enthusiast board. It's not OC'd, and nothing has been optimized. It was a bone stock reference run! :thumb:

Intel Rocks! God Allmighty Do They ROCK!!!! :thumb:


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-nehalem-core,5854.html

Wait until the real gaming grade stuff comes out guys. We're still months away from full release and this thing has beat the pants off everything there is in the world. I think they even stole AMD's lunch money! :rofl Anybody who waited to build one of these is sitting pretty!

[Prophet]

Not really fair to compare a development chip to a competitors production chip.

Although I really doubt AMD will have anything that is competative clock for clock, I think they will price wise.

Personally, I will probably get a Nehalem, maybe 2.

[T_Flight]

They compared it to the best they (AMD) has, and the chip isn't optimized yet. That was an ES (Engineering Sample) Chip on a mobo that isn't optimized yet, with a BIOS that is in it's infancy, and the Memory was crippled in single channel.

Wait until we see what these will do in Tri Channel with release CPU's, and on stuff with a mature BIOS, and really good DDR 3 Memory! We're looking at 30-50% gains over AMD's *next* gen CPU. With mature releaase hardware these things will literally be unbeatable. AMD doesn't have the resources to compete with something that advanced. I hate to think how mnay 10's of millions Intel put into that CPU. They have seriously put together the total package.

It's just outstanding! :thumb:

[_Big_Mac_]

Both compared CPUs are dual cores, I'm not that impressed yet... Let's wait until proper testing and comparison.

[T_Flight]

What would you call "proper"? That was proper. The Intel was at a distinct disadvanatge and still outclassed the competition using the latest benchmarks.

If you mean proper as in full release quads then the gap is definitely gonna widen.

Again, we're looking at 30-50% increases in performance. That much is already known. With the quads and triple channel enabled it would just be a bigger slaughter.

[SUBS17]

Imagine putting 2 of those on a skulltrail :smile:.

[T_Flight]

It has been imagined! :smile: Guys have been talking about that a bunch, but no words on boards for that yet. Maybe in the 2Q '09 timeframe, but that's just a guess. Nothing official released from Intel on that at all.

1 is all the power I'll need. When the Octo's come out I'll just grab one up and plug it into my board if it'll be compatible. Should be since they'll all be based on the same design.

2 would just get too expensive for me with the extra water block and then I'd have tio get another rad becasue of the extra heat that would be introduced into the loop if I didn't. 1 of those is gonna be more power than I'll be able to use for a long time with the exception of folding.

[_Big_Mac_]

What would you call "proper"?

Yeah, by proper I meant the release version that can be tested more thoroughly and compared to more adequate competition. In the benchmark you've linked they said they weren't able to run the system for very long and thus probably couldn't do all the testing.

Also, comparing a newly designed quad core with dual cores that have been out for over a year doesn't seem that valid. I mean it's like getting a pre-release glimpse of a new Ferrari and claiming "it's gonna be SO great, it beats my VW so badly". While it's definitely does beat your VW and most likely will be an overall great car (you can't expect otherwise from Ferrari), let's wait till it gets compared to new Lambos and Maseratis.

[T_Flight]

I'm afrasid there are no new Lambos and Maserati's. AMD just isn't coming out with anything that'll be even remotely close to these things. So, they are left to test with the best AMD can muster for now.

[Funky]

I'm afrasid there are no new Lambos and Maserati's. AMD just isn't coming out with anything that'll be even remotely close to these things. So, they are left to test with the best AMD can muster for now.

yea, in the lines of that subject, isnt AMD going to do anything?

Funky

[T_Flight]

I don't think they can. It takes big money to do what Intel has done.

Back awhile back AMD put up a smear campauign against Intel showing a Boxer in the ring and challenged Intel to a duel. It looks like they got more than they bargained for. They callenged a company with more disposable income than their entire sales at that time...not smart. Of course with Hector Ruiz at the helm nothing they have done has been very smart.

Hector's smear camapign resulted in the "tick tock" plan from Intel. A "one two" punch scheme that keeps cutting edge technology and refreshes coming out at every cycle. Intel was smart. They didn't get into any duels with them becasue they didn't have to. They had nothing to proove, becasue their chips were proving themselves. That's the way companies with buisness ethics work.

Companies only resort to these smear ads when they just don't have it. They do not have the money it takes to match what Intel is doing. Until Intel ceases fire on the tick tock plan there's not much AMD can do about it.

It's actually quite comical, because AMD got what they asked for, just not the way they thought they'd get it. Boy did they get it too! Whew.

[Funky]

I do clearly remember tho, when Intel was just getting way too lame with their Pentium 4 series that they kept on producing like Model Ts when AMD gave them a run with their later 64 series and eventually the 64 X2s that totally robbed the market from Intel for a while. That was pretty exiting at the time couse I honestly think Intel was just getting lazy without a serious competition and the shock from AMD really woke them up within the PC market, mainly the gamer's market (because they had just signed their deal with Apple at the time so they were good in that segment).

Now tho, I think this Nahalem chip will be the last hyper-exiting chip we'll see in a while couse I have a feeling that the history is going to repeat itself... The way I see it is that Intel's now going to kick back and get lazy again until someone comes around and gives them a run for their money again...

Your thoughts?

[T_Flight]

Currently, the "tick tock plan" extends through 2009. That's the official released roadmap from Intel.

There has been other "unofficial" rumors released that it actually goes through the Octocore chips that Intel has hinted on at various tech shows. Nehalem has been designed for up to 8 cores. There is also talk of Larrabee which is based on research of 10 cores +. I guess it depends on what they really need to do.

When I build my Bloomfield system at the end of this year I'm looking to maybe pop a new chip in it at the next refrsh to get better OC'ing and leave it for the next 5 years. By then, I'm sure Intel will have some very impressive stuff out again. I would expect in those 5 years while I'd be using my system that they'd come out with Octo, and would have it thoroughly refined, and may even come out with laraabee stuff. In those 5 years though, lots can change. They may come up with a totally revolutionary design that may not even be multicore anymore. They spend 10's of millions on these designs. The money they put into R&D that I've read about is unbeliveable.

Right now AMD is in debt badly. If the investors don't get control of that company and fire that Ruiz guy, they will let him take the company right down the Chapter 11 crapper. When that happens we will ALL pay for it. Prices will go through the roof, and Intel would then have a Monopoly. We're already gonna be looking at fairly high prices on Bloomfield's. Enthusiats level chips are gonna be something like 350 bucks if memory serves, and the EE chips will be over 1000 dollars.

I really hope somebody does something about AMD and gets control of it.