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crossfade

03-26-2008, 18:09

Last Parts For My New Rig Coming Tomorrow So I Am Thinking About
The Os Now.
I'll Be Using Xp But Not Sure If I Should Go 32 Or 64..
All Advice Welcome..

Tks In Advance

BHawthorne

03-26-2008, 19:05

Last Parts For My New Rig Coming Tomorrow So I Am Thinking About
The Os Now.
I'll Be Using Xp But Not Sure If I Should Go 32 Or 64..
All Advice Welcome..

Tks In Advance

If you have confirmed it has hardware drivers you need, go 64-bit. More memory expansion options with 64-bit.

Mobius

03-26-2008, 22:50

I've had 64bit Vista since last October and the only issue I've had is the help file for my Engineering Equation Solver program doesn't run, so there have been no problems.:tongue:

RichardG

03-27-2008, 16:42

So is fighter ops being written in 32, or 64 bit?

BHawthorne

03-27-2008, 17:08

So is fighter ops being written in 32, or 64 bit?

It's not how it's written that make it 64 bit (I don't think), it's how it is target compiled?

Zaggy

03-28-2008, 02:36

Ummm, the chose of 32 or 64bit OS really comes down to your HARDWARE... If youre system is running a 64Bit CPU, then 64Bit windows, else 32Bit windows.... no point running a 64Bit OS on a 32Bit machine or vice versa...

Does that even work???

Prophet

03-30-2008, 13:32

From what I can tell, unless you have more than 3GB of RAM there is no point in going 64bit.

I find it odd though, historically when we have gone from 16bit->32bit OS, we have seen large improvements in performance. Yet 32bit->64bit hasnt. If you notice on 64bit system most programs you install will go to the Program Folders (x86) folder, and that may be why?

Zaggy

03-31-2008, 08:41

Because not as many programs are optimised for 64Bit processors... You wont realise a performance benefit until you're running 64Bit apps!

But again, if youre running a 64Bit machine, why run a 32Bit OS? Youre loosing performance potential right there! 64Bit windows runs better on 64Bit hardware than the 32Bit counterparts!

What you say about RAM is in one way true... If youre running 4GB or Less (64bit is theretically upto 16exabyte of RAM... thats quite a bit of RAM! In practice, youre looking at limits between 8Gb and 256Tb) , you CAN run a 32Bit OS OK; but again, on 64Bit hardware, youre loosing performance!
the only problem you may run into (which has become LESS of an issue as the 64Bit platform becomes wider spread) is drivers!

Personally, if i had a 64Bit PC, I'd be going Win64 (either WinXP or Vista SP1) - Probably WinXP with Virtual PC 2007 and running Vista on a Virtual Machine!

crossfade

03-31-2008, 18:13

Thanks alot guys my hardware is 64 bit so i'll go xp 64

GiGurra

04-01-2008, 06:52

Most games released the last few months have both 64bit and 32bit
support afaik. i hope FO will do this also, it makes sense.

For me 64bit support is much more important than DX10 graphics (which are zzz ;))

KING_RICHARD

04-01-2008, 07:20

im using 64bit vista, and not having any issues with it, although i really dont have anything installed except for a few games right now, and controllers, but i would reccomend it,

wolfstone

04-03-2008, 02:54

only thing you have to remember if you use all your RAM slots IE: 4 sticks of ram is that you then have to underclock your ram because your memory controller on the CPU cannot handle all four slots, i have just found this out i put 4 x 2gigs@800mhz in mine at standard timeings
All was going well but i noticed a few small problems, so i wrote to Corsair, and the answer i got was to underclk IE: to 667mhz

Normally stability is not easily gained with four DRAM slots populated and full DRAM bandwidth. Often issues will arise, sometimes immediately, sometimes in the longer term. The on CPU memory controller has to work far harder in accessing and loading DRAM when four slots are populated. To be certain that you will not have longer term issues, even though you are stable now, it is advised to set the DRAM throughput down in order to achieve a more stable relationship between the Memory Controller (On CPU) and the DRAM (On Motherboard).

Especially with AMD, since your HT throughput is nowhere near close to being saturated, even at the 667Mhz level. Canned cache and memory benchmarks will show a difference but use a digital stop watch and test load times, play times, etc, and you will see virtually no difference. Thus it is far better to set for the longevity and stableness of your system, rather than set to numbers that might sound faster, but which are, in reality, not any faster for that system.

T_Flight

04-05-2008, 05:31

That's been the general rule for OC'ing for a long time. Buy memory in pairs. If you want 4GB, but 2x2GB sticks. If you want 8, buy 2x4. Right now I haven't found any 4GB sticks. I know there is good OC'ing 2x2GB kits around.

Perosnally I'd run the 64 Bit XP and dual boot Vista. This is what I plan to do when I build my Nehalem Machine becasue MSFS with some mods runs a little better on Vista, but other titles hate it, and Vista has some pretty serious issues right now related to viruses in the wild, and stability problems. I'm not even sure if Vista will ever become a mainstay. There has been talk that they will replace it like they did with ME. I hope that's not the case, but I really fear it is. It's now been longer than it was with ME and they still have not got alot of the serious isues fixed with Vista. Companies are avoiding it, and we were warned that Vista was not excuse and computer problems were not an excuse and loos of productivity would result in the loss of jobs, so I cannot run it.

I plan to setup both OS's on separate drives. Vista will not be allowed online, and that restriction may be forever. If they end up pulling another ME, I'm gonna see to it they replace that OS. They are killing us with these 90 dollar OS packages that are costing 300 bucks, and with ME they never did make it right for all of those people. They WILL with Vista or a class action lawsuit will be filed if it ends up going belly up like ME did.

We know XP is working and working good. There are little to no security issues that cannot be cured with AV software and good firewalls, and closing up usused ports and BS like remote assistence, and crap like that.

Vista on the other hand has viruses out there right now for which there is no way stop the virii, and no way to even know if your infected. The main problem with Vista is the lack of support accorss the board from dev's, coprorations, small and large buisnesses, driver dev's, and security software dev's. They just haven't accepted it. I wonder if it will ever take hold. Why all this was not sorted out before release I have no idea. It *should* have been, or it shouldn't have been released at all. This is a trend with alot of software today, and with OS's it causes the fallout we are seeing now.

Prophet

04-06-2008, 18:09

I have been running Vista x64 as my main OS for months now.

I am not sure what you say about virus's is true?

Zaggy

04-07-2008, 10:24

The main problem with Vista is the lack of support accorss the board from dev's, coprorations, small and large buisnesses, driver dev's, and security software dev's. They just haven't accepted it. I wonder if it will ever take hold. Why all this was not sorted out before release I have no idea. It *should* have been, or it shouldn't have been released at all. This is a trend with alot of software today, and with OS's it causes the fallout we are seeing now.

I'm seeing the same... 95% of the 'real' sharp end software dev's I know are developing for XP and pretty much every enterprise I can think of has YET to move to Vista, some are openly saying they plan to stay with WXP SP2/SP3 until the 'next' version of windows.

Yeah, we all know MS is saying Vista uptake is faster than anything before, but real world penetration (esp in the Enterprise) is a bit of shambles...

Its not that Vista is a BAD OS (no where near as bad as NT4 was until SP2 or SP3 (NT4SP4 and later still rocks :) ) ), but yeah, the Hardware Vendors seem to have had a hard time getting upto speed with the new driver model, s/w vendors are reluctant to pour time into migrating a product to Vista when most enterprises are NOT heading there and finally there is the issue of the Horsepower required to run Vista... With OS tweaking you could get most business apps to run pretty much the same on a box than ran W2K, performance-wise (hell, we all know W2K was NT5.0 and XP was NT5.1; look at the build numbers and etc)... BUT Vista, damn, that beast requires NEW boxes on desktops EVERYWHERE...

Honestly, I cant see a Vista (Or Vista Mk2) Migration for another 18-24months or so, until all that 'XP only level of performance' computer hardware is reaching the end of the 3 year leases or life cycles, so that a company can move EVERYTHING at once to Vista as well as buy time for the bugs and vendors to get their act together...

End Rant... Bed Time...

CharlieAvi

04-11-2008, 11:18

Good thing you went with the 64-bit version. I see a big difference when running the 32-bit vs. 64-bit version of Crysis. It's too bad PunkBuster only works on 32-bit so I am stuck using that version when playing online.

There is a pretty big difference for programming in 64-bit rather than 32-bit. Some of these difference are due to hardware concerns and others are based on compiler concerns. A Google search will turn up a wealth of information on the topic if you're really interested in getting the in-depth reasons. Needless to say, you cannot just take code developed for a 32-bit program and build it for 64-bit. If by some miracle it actually does run it will not be optimized for 64-bit and you'd most likely see a decrease in performance because of it.

As for the Vista discussion... My gaming rig is XP 64-bit and is going to stay that way. I bought a Vista laptop to do all my software engineering on and I just listed it on EBay last night. I couldn't take it anymore. About a month ago I bought a MacBook Pro and run WindowsXP as a virtual machine in VMWare to do the Windows based builds that I still need to support. This set up blows Vista out of the water (in my opinion of course) hands down.

Playloud

04-11-2008, 15:05

I'm fairly well rounded in my systems.

Laptop = 32bit Vista / 64bit Ubuntu
Gaming Rig = 32bit XP
Folding Rig = 64bit Ubuntu

Maple

05-23-2008, 20:31

Maple

05-24-2008, 17:15

BHawthorne

05-24-2008, 17:53

when i install my 64 bit from the CD on the start up screen it says that it cant find and Hardrives and check if they are installed and have power, but when i just load windows normally all HD come up.
Help!! thanks.:nono:

Sounds like 64 bit version needs drivers for your on-board drive controller. It's an easy fix. Just gotta download them, put them on a floppy and when you install XP 64 use F6 to load them up.

Maple

05-24-2008, 23:58

Sounds like 64 bit version needs drivers for your on-board drive controller. It's an easy fix. Just gotta download them, put them on a floppy and when you install XP 64 use F6 to load them up.

sweet thanks!

u know where i can find these drivers?

BHawthorne

05-25-2008, 00:01

sweet thanks!

u know where i can find these drivers?

What are your system specs? I didn't catch what hardware you're using atm.

Maple

05-25-2008, 13:09

xps 720
q6600
8800 gtx
3 gb ram
2 500 gb in raid 0 and also a raptor 10000 160gb.
:thumb:

BHawthorne

05-25-2008, 15:53

xps 720
q6600
8800 gtx
3 gb ram
2 500 gb in raid 0 and also a raptor 10000 160gb.
:thumb:

I'll dig around and get a link for you on that driver in the next day or so. :)

bflagg

05-25-2008, 16:32

xps 720
q6600
8800 gtx
3 gb ram
2 500 gb in raid 0 and also a raptor 10000 160gb.
:thumb:

the XPS 720 uses a nvidia 680i chipset?
Goto nivida and install that....

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_64_9.64.html

BHawthorne

05-25-2008, 22:22

the XPS 720 uses a nvidia 680i chipset?
Goto nivida and install that....

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_64_9.64.html

Yup, should work.

Maple

05-26-2008, 17:28

installed the drivers and still dosent recognize the Hardisk.
DO i have to put some files on a floppy then bbot those when I hit F6 to install 3rd party drivers?

Thanks

BHawthorne

05-26-2008, 17:38

installed the drivers and still dosent recognize the Hardisk.
DO i have to put some files on a floppy then bbot those when I hit F6 to install 3rd party drivers?

Thanks

Yes, download the xp64 nForce driver installer from nVidia.
Should be named something like: 9.64_nforce_winxp64_english_whql.exe. Run the exe. It'll put the installation files in a directory something like: c:\NVIDIA\nForceWin2KAMD64\9.64\English. Go into: C:\NVIDIA\nForceWin2KAMD64\9.64\English\IDE\Win64\ sataraid. Take all those files in that directory and dump that into your blank floppy. F6 at XP64 installer CD startup and load those files. The installer should now see your drives.

Once you're all installed and running XP64. Run that nVidia installer again from within XP64 to make sure all your drivers are properly installed, not just the raid drivers. Should be located at something like: C:\NVIDIA\nForceWin2KAMD64\9.64\English\setup.exe. It'll probably not see the network connection till you run the installer.

After that hop on the net and get your other driver installers as needed.

It's a bit of a pain, but it should work. The problem occured because the hardware is newer than what Microsoft had when they made the XP CD so they had no way of bundling a driver for it. This is a common headache people have to deal with, when using current generation hardware.

Maple

05-26-2008, 23:38

awseme, pulled out two old floopy drives and it seems that they dont fit, then walmart was selling a usb floopy drive, that was 30 bucks, i said heck no, and its usb, so wasent to sure of that wasent going to work. Dell's sucks for giving you room to play with to add a floppy drive... im gonna be on a search for a flopy drive .
Thanks for the help/

crossfade

05-28-2008, 19:33

just so everyone knows if they don't already if you build a new system with an nvidia 680i chipset you have to use a cpu of 65nm first and update the bios to the latest version then you can put in your 45nm cpu this error cost me an extra 70 euros which i don't mind because now i have an old (new) cpu that i have to use can't let it go to waste so starting second build soon lol she is going to kill me