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AMVI_Surgeon

01-24-2006, 05:03

I would like to start my training in Fighter Ops now!!!:bounce:

How????

In FS2004 I think it's possible....:doh:
-I found a very good T-6 Texan II by Hellenic Air Force on www.flightsim.com and it's so funny to fly.
-I found also T38 Talon (payware by FSD and freeware)

...so what about training bases? I don't remember well.... which states?
can you tell us which are must be covered first?
could megascenery be helpful in the VFR training program?

tnx.:thumb:

Buckshot

01-24-2006, 05:19

Training is at Laughlin AFB in Texas.

Bigfoot209th

01-24-2006, 12:25

Bigfoot209th

01-24-2006, 12:52

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/index.php

KDLF is what you want.

Bigfoot209th

01-29-2006, 21:54

The Hellenic TexanII is great...so much easier than the old Tweet, if the gauges are accurate. Just the art horizon is ugly...

Ok, I'm flyin' departure and arrival plates at Laughlin...if anyone has trouble with DME or anything...speak up. Get that hellenic TexanII installed and get familiar with how it flies in MSFS2004 first.

Also, if anyone finds a much nicer looking TexanII, let us know.

Fair skies,
foot

Shatterer of Worlds

01-29-2006, 23:20

Hehe...not a bad idea, really.
Grabbing some charts and shooting approaches to Laughlin in FS2004 would be a great starting point, just to get familiar with the base.

I have the payware Tweet I could use for that. If anyone finds the perfect Texan2 or T38 freeware for this, toss out some links.

Yeah, before I even started building a tweet cockpit I bought the payware addon for fs2004. It's nice getting something of a feel for these aircraft in other programs.

It's always good to check out the best of what the competition has to offer.

I haven't flown Laughlin though.

Actually, about 98% of my time in fs2004 is now spent flying the RealAir Spitfire and Marchetti in Switzerland Professional scenery.

Bigfoot209th

01-29-2006, 23:54

Actually, about 98% of my time in fs2004 is now spent flying the RealAir Spitfire

Amen, I hear ya, brother...the RealAir Spitfire is the finest add-on I have seen so far...luv it

Nikolas_A

01-30-2006, 12:56

-I found a very good T-6 Texan II by Hellenic Air Force on www.flightsim.com

Where? I can't find it. (Edit: Ok, forget it, I found it!)

Also, is there a T-6 for X-Plane?

Nikolas

Sparky23

01-30-2006, 16:19

Where / who is the paywear Tweet from?

Shatterer of Worlds

01-30-2006, 16:46

Where / who is the paywear Tweet from?

http://www.t37sim.com/

Kaveman

01-30-2006, 18:18

I found this FS addon that allows someone to actually be in the same plane you're flying while playng on multiplayer, could be a flight instructor!
http://www.gates.to/LoadPage.php?page=Welcome

I had the chance to use it only once, and it was unfortunately with some nut who didn't know how to fly and kept crashing while yelling into a microphone he had, hehehe.
Other than that, the program ran pretty well. You might also try VATSIM instead of MSN Zone, they're a lot more professional and even have live ATC with SquawkBox, which makes the flying much more realistic.

sheppardlt

04-11-2006, 17:30

Hey, do any of you guys fly the T-37 from t37sim.com? If so, and you would like some people to fly with let me know, we fly them quite often. Awesome aircraft!

razorseal

05-10-2006, 00:29

I cant seem to get the tweet... :(

Mobius

05-10-2006, 01:08

Whoops, never mind, I thought I'd figured it out, but I haven't. Sorry.

I sent an e-mail about it though, but it said the e-mail didn't go through, so I don't know what to do. :nono:

razorseal

05-10-2006, 01:50

anyone have it that can share with us here? :)

Mobius

05-10-2006, 02:03

:thumb: eh, eh?

Mobius

05-11-2006, 22:29

Here are the links for the T-37 installer. They should work, but I haven't tried it yet...

http://www.t37sim.com/download/T-37%20v1.04%20update.exe

http://www.t37sim.com/download/T-37B_Installer_(v1.02).exe

http://www.t37sim.com/download/T-37b%20Update%201.03.exe

SUBS17

05-11-2006, 22:48

razorseal

05-11-2006, 22:53

Mobius

05-11-2006, 23:00

Alrighty, it worked. You just download it and start the installer and it asks for your credit card information and everything. She's tricky to fly, but it feels better than most other FS aircraft. Good find guys. :thumb:

razorseal

05-11-2006, 23:09

awesome just got it too... gunna check it out now

never flew online on msfs, think we can do eet?

razorseal

05-11-2006, 23:31

damn this shit is hard to fly

did they make it like this so alot of ppl hate it and dont join the AF? lol

razorseal

05-11-2006, 23:58

its supposed to have like flight lessons and stuff with voice comms... Where are those?

razorseal

05-11-2006, 23:59

oh and hth do I upgrade to 1.04? lol

Mobius

05-12-2006, 00:26

never flew online on msfs, think we can do eet?

Yeah, if you want, you can use the SimVation server, just start FS, go to "multiplayer" and go to "open multiplayer session", type in 85.10.244.109 into the
IP address space and click search, then join the one that comes up. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THOUGH that you open the correct ports on your router. If you have a router, and don't know how to do this, go to http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Multi;action=display;num=1100625039 and read the tutorial. If you have anymore questions, just ask, I'd be happy to help.

did they make it like this so alot of ppl hate it and dont join the AF? lol

It is hard to fly, but it does feel alot like real aircraft, instead of the default aircraft. I like it so far.

As for the other two questions, I don't know, I downloaded the manual from the www.t37sim.com website, and I'm looking through that for speeds and stuff, so I'd try that first.

Hope all that helped. :wink2:

razorseal

05-12-2006, 00:34

yeah I can do the router stuff, I have to do it for falcon...

i'm flying it now at angels 20 on a/p lol, it is a cool plane :)

so will ppl see this plane? or see some other default plane... (i mean do they have to have it on their computer to see it?) would be awesome if we could all do a heritage flight... f16/sabre/p51 :)

Mobius

05-12-2006, 01:19

Yeah, everyone else needs to have it, otherwise they will only see the last default airplane you flew in, or a Cessna 172, which can get kind-of weird (C172 at 25,000 ft and 500 kts). :bigsmile:

razorseal

05-12-2006, 01:30

damn that sucks :( I doubt too many ppl have this plane lol

man is this thing hard to land or what!? oh and also the speed brakes suck on this thing :p

I think I just gave my IP a heart attack landing

Mobius

05-12-2006, 01:52

:bigsmile: Did you read the manual about the speed brake? It works pretty well when you use the right button. For some reason it's set to the "Backup electric vacuum pump on/off" button instead of the regular spoiler button. Don't know why though. The manual has some good take-off and landing procedures in it, and if you follow them, it flys quite nicely actually. To find the manaul, go to start-->programs-->T37B microsimulator-->instruction manual and it should tell you just about anything you need to know.

razorseal

05-12-2006, 01:53

man this plane is fun to to acrobatics in I must say! :)

razorseal

05-12-2006, 01:53

razorseal

05-12-2006, 02:02

man we're really whoring up this thread lol, shoot me an IM on razorseal if ya want

razorseal

05-12-2006, 04:09

hmm, i figured out how to install 1.04 but it got rid of bitchin' betty... I cant hear her anymore :(

Mobius

05-12-2006, 10:35

How do you install 1.04, I don't think I did it right?

razorseal

05-12-2006, 13:45

just install it to desktop, then click on aircraft, then t-37v20 and cut that, and copy it to aircraft folder in FS9 folder in microsoft games... make sure u rename the current one tehre (1.03) to t-37v20_old so if u dont like 1.04 (i didnt because the bitchin betty cant be heard) you can always go back

razorseal

05-12-2006, 14:53

Yeah, if you want, you can use the SimVation server, just start FS, go to "multiplayer" and go to "open multiplayer session", type in 85.10.244.109 into the
IP address space and click search, then join the one that comes up. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THOUGH that you open the correct ports on your router. If you have a router, and don't know how to do this, go to http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Multi;action=display;num=1100625039

hmm, I thought this would be a busy server, i'm the only one on! lol

Python

06-14-2006, 05:54

OK I've got both T-38 and T-6 installed, T-38 doesn't have the ADI and HSI gauges working, they are just black, but all the rest looks good. T-6 (freeware Hellenic AF) is good too, even though the virtual cockpit quality sucks. Got the Laughlin AB working too. If anyone can recommend good payware models of T-38 and T-6, please post the link. We could even do some formation flying or navigation stuff in MP if anyone's interested.

Mobius

06-14-2006, 21:44

Did you get the FS2002 FSD T-38? It's the best one I've found, it used to be payware, but is free now. I think you can find it over at avsim.com, under the FS2002 original aircraft section. It does work just find in FS2004, even though it says it's for FS2002. I don't know of any payware versions of either one though.

Maple

06-14-2006, 22:44

wheres the lastest updates for FS2004?

Mobius

06-15-2006, 02:54

Of the T-38?

I use the following two files: nato_t38.zip , and fsd_t38.zip , and everything works great for me. There is a small thing you have to do to switch some textures or something, but I can't quite remember what it is, but it is in the read_me, so I'd check there.

Python

06-15-2006, 03:41

I'm using file "FSD Northrop T-38A Talon", which is 64 Mb large, I suspect it used to be payware. Never used the nato_t38.zip, I'll try it.

bingo

07-07-2006, 01:17

I too like to realair spitfire as well as captain sim yak-3, now I'm flying the yak-3 over palm springs in megascenery sc..........great flying the mountains in real world weather

Tomcattwo

10-08-2006, 01:23

I did some repaints of the Hellenic T-6A for FS2K2 and FS2K4 to paint them up in USAF and USN colors. That way, when you are training for FO in Laughlin using MSFS, you'll look good! Additionally, I also built them into the traffic files for the Laughlin AFCAD update (I included the Traffic_AETC1.bgl file in the zip with the repaints. The aircraft.cfg file I included with the T-6A repaint also has included in it a standard loadout of a 200 lb pilot and a 200 lb instructor. Don't forget to back up your aircraft.cfg files before you overwrite! :smile:

Here ar some screenies:

Laughlin AFB 84th FTS:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/USAF_84FTS.jpg

Laughlin AFB 85th FTS:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/USAF_85FTS.jpg

Randolph AFB 558 FTS:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/USAF_558FTS.jpg

Vance AFB 8 FTS:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/USAF_8FTS.jpg

Moody AFB 3 FTS:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/USAF_3FTS.jpg

Navy TRARON 4 Pensacola FL:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/Navy_TR4.jpg

To use the repaints, you must have already installed Nick Karatzides' Hellenic T-6A Texan II aircraft. Read the readme file for installation directions. Use at your own risk. Here's the link to the repaints:

USAF and Navy T-6A Repaints for MSFS2K2 and MSFS2K4 (home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/T6A_Texan_II_USAF_USN_Repaints.zip)

Edit: 10/08/06 Thanks to BHawthorne's awesome T-6A detail pix in this thread (http://www.fighterops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6033), I was able to post an update to the 84th FTS and 85th FTS repaints for more realism - minor but it's in the details, isn't it?

Here's the Laughlin 87 FTS repaint I did for the FSD Freeware T-38:

http://home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/T38_87FTS_Laughlin.jpg

And here's the link for that repaint file:

Laughlin 87th FTS Repaint of FSD Freeware T-38A (home.comcast.net/~tomcattwo/MSFS2K4/FSD_T38A_87FTS_Repaint.zip)

I hope you all enjoy them while waiting for FO to come out!
R/
TC2

3rdELTy

10-08-2006, 06:39

Awesome job Tomcattwo :thumb: Thank you very much...
Now I would love to see better panel for the Texan :evils:

Lance

10-08-2006, 07:08

where can i get a good T-37???

Flip

Tomcattwo

10-08-2006, 15:07

Awesome job Tomcattwo Thank you very much...
Now I would love to see better panel for the Texan

Thank you. I also want to see a little better panel for the T-6A, so I may look at trying to do that (though I've still a lot of flying to practice with it). However, as you probably know, it requires the original model files to do a 3D cockpit, and I don't have them (even if I did, I have to date only done 2D panels and not 3D ones) I'd LOVE to see a clickable 3D panel for the T-6A, but I think I'll need to wait until FO comes out :tongue:

R/
TC2

Tomcattwo

10-16-2006, 12:15

I uploaded the USAF/USN T-6A repaints to AVSIM on Saturday, as well as a Laughlin repaint for the FSD Freeware T-38A.

Also, yesterday, I completed the Electronic ADI upgrade gauge (includes the appropriate blue/black EADI with correct pitch ladder and numbers, Electronic Bank Angle Indicator and Electronic CDI) for the T-6, and added an AOA Indexer to the 2D panel. I'll continue slowly working up other gauges to make the 2D panel more realistic. Next will be the Electronic HSI and adding the Whiskey Ball Mag compass outside the right side of the 'pit.
R/
TC2

AMVI_Surgeon

10-20-2006, 14:26

ok, now yhat FSX is out, can someone post some screens of the USAF training bases we'll see in Fighter Ops? how is the scenery detail?

@tomcattwo: will your repaints be compatible with FSX?:bigsmile:

Tomcattwo

10-20-2006, 17:28

AVMI_Surgeon wrote:

@tomcattwo: will your repaints be compatible with FSX?

Answer: I don't know :bigsmile: I don't have FSX (and based on reports, I am not likely to get it until the bugs/framerate issues are worked out). Problems with plane compatibility in FSX often have to do with use of FS98 coded gauges, and I've no idea if any of the gauges in Nick's T-6A panel were coded using FS98 params. Someone who has FSX will need to try it and see.

That having been said, I am in the middle of the monster project to update the T-6A panel for FS2K4, and, since most or all of those gauges will be .xml, they ought to be compatible with FSX.

So far, I have redone the background for the main panel, and background for the light switch/trim panel. Next are backrounds for the "heads down" panel, popups for various systems (engine start panel, maybe throttle/flaps), and then start identifying, programming and positioning gauges.

I've updated the PFD (Primary Flight Display) gauge, but I think it still has a few things that may need to be added to it (need to find out some more about the functionality of that PFD, and I don't have a T-6A Dash-1). I was able to find a complete tech manual yesterday for the RMS 555 Radio Management System - gonna be a bear to program that gauge, but I'm going to give it a go. I've identified a fully functioning GPS (KLN-90) that provides exact functionality to the GPS in the T-6A (and will need to get the author's permission to use in this freeware panel). It won't look like the militarized version but will provide all of the exact functionality of the militarized version, plus will allow room for me to put the EFIS for control of the lower MFD on the main panel (vice under the main panel in front of the joystick, where it is on the real aircraft). I'll also need permission to use that EFIS/MFD in this freeware panel, but again, it provides exact functionality to the T-6A MFD (including Nav HSI, NAV ARC modes, with VOR, ADF and GPS inputs) as well as a couple other useful gauges. Those two gauges are so complex that there is no way I will try to program them myself if I am unable to get the author's permission to use them. Other than that, I am going for the most realistic looking and functioning 2D panel I can make. This project is expected to take several months or more. Keeps me busy while waiting for FO to come out :tongue:

R/
TC2

Z-man

10-20-2006, 20:12

Let me know if you need any help with the panel. I can't make anything, but I might be able to give some pointers. If you have a working product, I can help to see how close it is.

I've been going off and on trying to modify the T-6 flight dynamics (because its sorta close, sorta not in MSFS), but have had very little success--its really my first attempt to do flight modeling of any kind, so that's not really a surprise.

I really want a good T-6 and I know there are a lot of people here that want one, but it just doesn't exist. I'll do what I can to help out.

Let me know...

Tomcattwo

10-22-2006, 01:31

Thanks, Z. When I get closer to having a more complete panel, I'll give you a shout. I'm using the outstanding pictures BHawtorne posted in the Pit Forum, going photo-realistic, so it should be close to the real deal (except where I specifically made it not because of the added training value as noted in my relpy above).
R/
TC2

AMVI_Surgeon

10-22-2006, 07:02

@tom: many compliments for wour hard work!
I've bought FSX and now I'm downloading your repaints and aircraft from AVSIM... soon I'll post some screenshots.:thumb:

Tomcattwo

11-08-2006, 13:19

On 22 October, I started tackling the .xml coding of the RMS-555 Radio Management System gauge and its associated bitmaps. I'm pleased to say that the coding has gone much more smoothly than I had first thought it would (haven't had to do a whole lot of troubleshooting to find syntax errors as I have been very careful in my syntax when coding), and I think I am within a week or two (or a bit more since I will not be able to work on it the next 4 days due to travel to see the grandkids) of finishing that gauge for the T6A. When it's done RMS555 will have all functionality of the real deal with a couple of minor exceptions (# of turns for the dimmer adjustment will be reduced for simplicity, no HAVE QUICK WOD entry screens because MSFS doesn't support UHF Comms anyway, let alone frequency agile anti-jamming UHF capability) but I am going to try to do up a "simulated" HAVE QUICK display for aesthetic reasons only). There's over 2000 Software Lines of Code (SLOC) in that one gauge to capture all the required functionality, but it'll still be smooth.

Then it will be on to coding the other 40-50 gauges needed to completely update the panel (normal front panel, "panel down view" for manipulation of gauges when "heads down" that are below the normal panel view, engine start panel, maybe throttle panel or not, lighting control panel, not going to do CB panel for first release) Those are generally a LOT easier to code and much much smaller in code lines, it's doing the graphics work that's the more time consuming part)

All in all, I am estimating another 6 weeks to 2 months to have a panel in alpha ready for test.

After I finish the T6A project I'll look at maybe redoing the RMS555 as a stand-alone freeware gauge that will take advantage of all the various MSFS9 avionics (T6A RMS555 only controls UHF, VHF1, NAV1, and ATC. UHF2 is a separate tuning head).

R/
TC2

3rdELTy

11-08-2006, 13:28

Sounds great TomcatTwo! Keep up the good work bud :thumb:

Tomcattwo

11-14-2006, 10:17

All functionality for the T6A RMS555 is complete and the gauge (not the entire panel, just this one gauge) is in beta test and I am working out bugs and cleaning up the bitmaps. Nothing major so far. The only functionality that is not going to be included in RMS555:

1) Dimmer: Small knob will not do "fine" control (100 clicks from start to finish - that's overkill in MSFS2K4). Both knobs do coarse dimmer control (16 clicks top to bottom for dimming the display)
2) No HAVE QUICK WOD entry pages - not worth it since MSFS doesn't do UHF anyway let alone HAVE QUICK. The rest of the UHF functionality is there (of course doesn't do anything in MSFS - it's there for completeness).

Last night I was also able to find a method that allows for the MSFS2K4 T6A RMS555 to have a "non-volatile memory", just like the real deal. What this means is that frequencies stored in the RMS555's memory channels are saved when the pilot exits the flight and are reloaded when you fly the next time in the T6A (whether or not you turn off Flight Sim, turnoff the computer or whatever...it'll still load the saved freqs up when you enter the flight later). That means you don't have to reload your saved frequencies every time you fly! This is the same way the RMS555 works in real life.

Next to tackle will be engine digital display gauges, then altimeter/airspeed gauges.

11/15/06 Update: The RMS555 is DONE! Last night I installed and got fully working the KLN90B (the stand-in for the KLN900B with identical functionality) as well as the EFIS 50 (the lower MFD) and EFIS controller. These two were gauges made by other folks and are truly outstanding. They were slightly modified for the T-6A to fit in the panel properly. Tonight I should be able to start work on the Primary and Alternate Engine Systems Displays (PEDD and AEDD) as well as the Engine/Systems/NACWS Display.

R/
TC2

liquid_rockface

11-18-2006, 05:56

I just downloaded the T-38 mentioned earlier in this thread, and it does not show up in my aircraft window in Flight Simulator. The T-6 installed without any problem...any ideas why it has "disappeared"?

Richard_H

12-11-2006, 22:22

liquid_rockface

12-12-2006, 04:33

Update: I re-installed it and it appeared, no problem lol...

Richard_H

12-12-2006, 07:01

good for you!

sheppardlt

02-18-2007, 14:53

You guys still flying the Tweet? I'd like to do some formation work!

razorseal

02-25-2007, 02:07

man this thread is old! its actually when I decided I wnt to take aviation as a career lol... anyways, i'm up for some flying in the tweet if anyone is interested :) (or the T38, but it really sucks)

razorseal

02-25-2007, 03:38

I'm going to make a video of the tweet with trackIR tommorow... it will be a small video to show you guys how fund the tweet can be and we should do some basic training in it :)

if you noticed i've been asking Qs about them in the general forum... because I want some people to train! lets do eet! :)

Mobius

02-25-2007, 14:45

I'd fly, but I don't really know how much time I'll have between school actual flying, but we'll see.:wink2:

razorseal

02-25-2007, 21:24

well here is the vid...

lemme know if anyone wants to do this? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUwTCbTWvF8

Cougar12dk

02-26-2007, 03:29

That is some nice flying there Razor :) I wanna do that :)

razorseal

02-26-2007, 04:36

thank you :)

well if you have the tweet I can teach you a few things and such :)

Cougar12dk

02-26-2007, 11:19

I don't ........... YET :) I'm also going to have to buy TIR4 at some pint :)

razorseal

02-26-2007, 12:25

hehe, it helps alot with formation flynig

Cougar12dk

02-26-2007, 12:35

I got that idea from watching the videos from around the web :)

Cougar12dk

02-26-2007, 12:47

Crap!!! Hehe. I have to install FS 2004 again. They don't support FSX as of yet. Damn.....

Oh well :) I think I'll live :)

razorseal

02-26-2007, 13:14

bah, FSX sucks anyways... plus if you fly with me, it will have to be FS2004

Cougar12dk

02-26-2007, 14:40

When I try to install it (it being the T-37B), after I set up the directories and such, the next screen tells me that there was a "non-run" (or whatever the english translation is) exception in the program. If you click continue, the program will ignore the error and tries to continue. If you click End, the program will shut down immidiately.

If I click continue, the program gets to the next screen, but nothing happens :(

Gandalf_56

03-12-2007, 22:48

Any news about T-6 for FSX?
I have search ins the big websites for MFS and I couldn`t find Texan II for FSX.
I know that there are nice Texans II for MFS2004 but nothing for FSX. I Have read in an on line article that you can import planes from MFS2004 to MFSX but you have to keep both sims in your HD.
The articles are in Computer Pilot website and you can download for free.
So, if someone want to import the Texan II into FSX, I will be the happiest man in the world :)
I would like to flight through Laughlin with a T-6 just to practice some approaches and this stuff to warm engines.
Thnx guys!!!!