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IceManHG
09-13-2005, 15:48
Ive been trying to decide if I should get LOMAC or not. Ive been flying Falcon AF for a few months now and I love the realism. How does LOMAC compare? I want to be able to fly some more aircraft like the F-15. But does the level of realism compare to Falcon's?
Boonierat
09-13-2005, 16:32
The realism in LOMAC is supposed to be alot less than F4 yet more than your average arcade game. So it's kind of in between the two. LOMAC also doesn't feature some of the cool things in F4 such as a clickable cockpit, dynamic campaign, etc. The only good thing in LOMAC I think is the graphics.
RCGsupra
09-13-2005, 20:30
I started out in LOMAC and then transitioned to Falcon. I gotta say, I rarely go back to LOMAC. it just has too many problems, the flight models, avionics, and weapons systems aren't nearly as good as falcon. However, LOMAC is still fun to play once in a while. The explosions and graphics are really good. This makes just overall flying fun in the game. I'd say give it a shot. It is a fun game to mess around with. I've been using Falcon more as a learning tool than entertainment, even though it is a blast.
Here are some of my screenshots:
http://www.teamdrt.com/albums/album44/ScreenShot_006.jpg
http://www.teamdrt.com/albums/album44/ScreenShot_016.jpg
http://www.teamdrt.com/albums/album44/ScreenShot_035.jpg
http://www.teamdrt.com/albums/album44/ScreenShot_039.jpg
http://www.teamdrt.com/albums/album44/ScreenShot_051.jpg
And yes I know I need to turn the labels off, but these were taken when I was first learning.
Lockon FC simulates missile behaviour and A/A combat more realistically in my view. Also the weapons effects on ground targets also is much better. I find online that in A/A engagements pilots use alot of tactics in the Squadron enviroment to win fights. You also have the added bonus of working with or against other aircraft types which each have their own characteristics. The SU25T is the big bonus to fly out of all of them as it also has an Advanced Flight Model. (it leaves all other FMs for dust, including F4AFs[hopefully the next AF patch will have better FM]). Add to this the behaviour of the F-15s FM(which is very close to the real F-15Cs curve) and aircraft such as the SU27 and Mig29 which can do high AOA and Cobra you can have some very interesting dogfights. On Hyperlobby some of the Servers are a bit like Airquake but occasionally there are A/G servers. Its definately worth it.
IceManHG
09-14-2005, 04:17
wow, sucks that it doesnt have clickable cockpits. Im still undecided. But im leaning on getting it just to check out the damage modeling and to fly some different aircraft.
wow, sucks that it doesnt have clickable cockpits. Im still undecided. But im leaning on getting it just to check out the damage modeling and to fly some different aircraft.
The Black Shark (Version 1.2) will have a clickable cockpit and will include a flyable helicopter. I think its a stand alone version so you dont have to own lock on for it. I have lock on and 1.1 Flaming Cliffs and im having a blast! Nothing compares to the thrill when flying in formation. Its a lot more difficult. I have flown falcon myself and i thought it was easy. You should check out the virtual thunderbirds or this russian team, they are just AMAZING!!!
If i were you, id buy lock on right now! Over here in germany you can get the basic version for just about 10 euros and the 1.1 FC is for download at www.lockon.ru!
Have fun!"
FLip
I think its a stand alone version so you dont have to own lock on for it.
I'm afraid that you WILL NEED Lock On (not sure if FC also) simply because it's addon
Cheers
33rd_Crocodile
09-14-2005, 17:44
For Lock On 1.2 Black Shark u need 1.1 Flaming Cliffs and lomac :wink2:
Boonierat
09-14-2005, 20:12
I'd buy LOMAC if it had a clickable cockpit (i don't like memorizing keys), so I'm waiting until Black Shark. The flyable heli also sounds amazing since I also love helis.
The clickable pit isn't necessary yet for lockon but will most definately for 1.2. As there are over 600 functions in 1.2, the other flyables will hopefully one day reach this level in another sim called "Tank Killers". Lockons avionics for FC don't require a clickable pit since as its functions are basic but its usage is advanced. If you get my drift eg SU27 SHFT HOME/ALT HOME[LEFT/RIGHT ENGINES ON], F FOR FLAPS, CNTRL L FOR NAV LIGHTS, ALT L for landing lights. So as you can see its not too bad and most of the flyables are similar with the exception being the SU25T and SU25. The advanced controls are how you employ your radar or ECM, its effect on burn through and also home on jam. Then as I stated earlier each aircraft has its own characteristics and unique weapons.[you'll be surprised at some of the Russian weapons, they are quite unique.]
f-18hornet
09-15-2005, 15:34
Will be in plan in future clickalbe cockpit for ohter a/c?
I think that will better thing when you can use pit device with mouse.
IceManHG
09-15-2005, 17:13
where does LOMAC let you fly? I woudnt mind flying some Red Flags in the desert.
the map is situated above the crimean penisula, and lets you fly over southern ukraine, russia, georgia (and the Caucasus mountains) :smile: The citys are well detailed and the terrain looks good to, especially in athmospheric conditions, like at the dawn or dusk :smile: The only downside is that the game in SP is a bit sterile after you've completed the campaigns, but there are heaps of missions to download, and multiplayer is so much fun! :thumb: Perhaps not as detailed avionics as Falcon, but the fun factor is there, and has got me hooked on it, along with the advanced flight models :bigsmile:
Will be in plan in future clickalbe cockpit for ohter a/c?
I think that will better thing when you can use pit device with mouse.
Yes, A-10, Su25/T, Apache and KA50 from what I've heard for "Tank Killers"
And also F-16 for "Destroyer"
f-18hornet
09-16-2005, 11:09
Yippee clickable F-16C. :smile:
It seems like when I fly in Lomac, it's usually none combat, and at low altitude. I find the FM's a bit "strange", I'm not sure how close the F-15 is to the real thing. The reason I haven't flown much combat is that I prefer the dynamic campaigns in Falcon. So, would I buy Lomac ?
Well, YES, it's great fun flying low..... and the graphics is really nice !
I would say go for it !!!!! :thumb:
Red Gold and Green
11-24-2005, 13:42
Ive been trying to decide if I should get LOMAC or not. Ive been flying Falcon AF for a few months now and I love the realism. How does LOMAC compare? I want to be able to fly some more aircraft like the F-15. But does the level of realism compare to Falcon's?
Different games.
People will tell you F4 is more realistic, but thats only a tiny bit of the story. LOMAC is beautifull and the flying experience is second to none.
There are negatives, but the game still shines through after taking a hammering.
Dont expect a Falcon4 War with all the bells and whistles but you can expect the best air combat and flying experience yet from a sim.
Falcon may be the wife, but LOMAC is a fine piece of ass that you just cant keep your hands off. ;)
Hedgehog
11-25-2005, 09:08
For Lock On 1.2 Black Shark u need 1.1 Flaming Cliffs and lomac :wink2:
Correction: The anounced Add-On will contain 1.1 Flaming Cliffs
Different games.
Falcon may be the wife, but LOMAC is a fine piece of ass that you just cant keep your hands off. ;)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/DAZLER/MiscGifs/mutley-ani1.gif
Like IcemanHG i've been wondering whether to submit to tempatation too. I've seen loads of vids and read loads of comparisons but i think you've summed it up the best. :clap:
I for one am going to resist that fine piece of ass...............well at least until after the next AF patch.:wink2:
I've got both, Flaming Cliffs I highly reccomend, but make sure your PC can handle it otherwise prepare to upgrade it.
[QUOTE=Red Gold and Green]Different games.
People will tell you F4 is more realistic, but thats only a tiny bit of the story. LOMAC is beautifull and the flying experience is second to none.
There are negatives, but the game still shines through after taking a hammering.
Dont expect a Falcon4 War with all the bells and whistles but you can expect the best air combat and flying experience yet from a sim.QUOTE]
To have the best air combat, especially bvr, experience you need to have the correct avionics modeled, etc....
IMO avionics are not where Lomac shines, that Is Falcon's strongpoint.
On the other hand the GFX and TIR feature in the 3D pits does help and makes "knifefights" more interresting and definetly better.
I fly both...uh well Falcon 98% and Lomac 2%,.....but hey, everybody his opinion.
And the big truth about all of this is that everybody seeks something different in a simulation. So at this moment there is fun for everybody on the market, may it be Falcon, Lomac, MSFS, X-plane,....
We share the same hobby, we only experience it on different levels.
Dirk
[QUOTE=Red Gold and Green]Different games.
People will tell you F4 is more realistic, but thats only a tiny bit of the story. LOMAC is beautifull and the flying experience is second to none.
There are negatives, but the game still shines through after taking a hammering.
Dont expect a Falcon4 War with all the bells and whistles but you can expect the best air combat and flying experience yet from a sim.QUOTE]
To have the best air combat, especially bvr, experience you need to have the correct avionics modeled, etc....
IMO avionics are not where Lomac shines, that Is Falcon's strongpoint.
On the other hand the GFX and TIR feature in the 3D pits does help and makes "knifefights" more interresting and definetly better.
I fly both...uh well Falcon 98% and Lomac 2%,.....but hey, everybody his opinion.
And the big truth about all of this is that everybody seeks something different in a simulation. So at this moment there is fun for everybody on the market, may it be Falcon, Lomac, MSFS, X-plane,....
We share the same hobby, we only experience it on different levels.
Dirk
AMEN Reverent! Im a Lock On Pilot myself and im thinking of buying F4 just for fun, i had falcon 4.0 before, was good but i just love lock on, it is realistic in many parts too!
Get F4AF, much more stable.:thumb:
Vampire14
11-28-2005, 17:43
I am with Pacman in that I fly both, but "Falcon 98% and Lomac 2%" as I find Lomac a bit of a change now and then for some fast low level with some nice graphics (Fix AA in Falcon for nVidia cards..aaargh).
But really I like to fly Lomac now and then for some luxury guns only ACM, as the F-15 is the supercharged V8 that will pretty much grunt you out of anything with a bit of AB, "over G! over G!" (the GFX are nice for ACM too) compared to Falcon where you have to be really careful not to get behind the power curve, or you need to do some nifty flying to get back while still effectively engaging the bandit.
Oh yea and to do some cool flips in the SU-33 :bigsmile:
But you can't beat Falcons immersion/realism in so far as the dynamic environment and the aircraft systems modelled, Lomac is a little sterile with a too "arcady" cockpit for my liking. **IMHO** :thumb:
SU25 is my favourite out of all of them, only a good pilot can do A/G with the beast.
I am with Pacman in that I fly both, but "Falcon 98% and Lomac 2%" as I find Lomac a bit of a change now and then for some fast low level with some nice graphics (Fix AA in Falcon for nVidia cards..aaargh).
But really I like to fly Lomac now and then for some luxury guns only ACM, as the F-15 is the supercharged V8 that will pretty much grunt you out of anything with a bit of AB, "over G! over G!" (the GFX are nice for ACM too) compared to Falcon where you have to be really careful not to get behind the power curve, or you need to do some nifty flying to get back while still effectively engaging the bandit.
Oh yea and to do some cool flips in the SU-33 :bigsmile:
But you can't beat Falcons immersion/realism in so far as the dynamic environment and the aircraft systems modelled, Lomac is a little sterile with a too "arcady" cockpit for my liking. **IMHO** :thumb:
Clickable cockpit in 1.2 ;)
Red Gold and Green
11-29-2005, 11:43
To have the best air combat, especially bvr, experience you need to have the correct avionics modeled, etc....
IMO avionics are not where Lomac shines, that Is Falcon's strongpoint.
Yeah man definetely Falcon's strongpoint. But i think LOMAC 'models' the radar pretty well (better than F4) with all the doppler shifts and other jazz, and i find the radar's behaviour is pretty detailed. Though it could be said that i know 'squat' about radars, and infact _shifTs.
And the big truth about all of this is that everybody seeks something different in a simulation. So at this moment there is fun for everybody on the market, may it be Falcon, Lomac, MSFS, X-plane,....
We share the same hobby, we only experience it on different levels.
L'ord o Merc. Thats the truth.
Sundowner
11-29-2005, 15:34
SU25 is my favourite out of all of them, only a good pilot can do A/G with the beast.Try to do SEAD mission in A-10 :wink2:
Vampire14
11-29-2005, 19:44
Clickable cockpit in 1.2 ;)
Yep rgr that - but it certainly wouldn't make me move to predominately flying Lomac over Falcon though - personally unless the pit is quite crisp and high res like the Stopworks pits - else I prefer to interact with a 2D pit that looks better. Just my personal preference but I am sure it will be aweseome for the Trk IR ppl out there.
And of course a new pit won't solve the 'IMHO' sterility/scale of the game environment/experience. But hey that might have all changed in new releases for all I know...they have just already lost me that's all.
Red Gold and Green
11-30-2005, 02:02
Try to do SEAD mission in A-10 :wink2:
MiG29K terrain masking through the mountains @mach1, dealing with Patriots, Hawks and attack helicopters, :wink2: :wink2: :bigsmile:
Try to do SEAD mission in A-10 :wink2:
In an A-10 I eat SAMs for breakfast, in an Su25 its a different story for most people. Also depends on AI level and if a Search radar is present.
IceManHG
12-07-2005, 03:22
Well I bought LOMAC Gold last week and played for about an hour. Graphics are amazing. The scratches on the canopy look sweet. I also managed to land the Su-25 on my first attempt. I cannot say that about the Mig 29 :doh:
try the F-15 or A-10, its a blast! Do you have HL installed? Go look for some guys to fly with there! JAbogs are great guys!
Well I bought LOMAC Gold last week and played for about an hour. Graphics are amazing. The scratches on the canopy look sweet. I also managed to land the Su-25 on my first attempt. I cannot say that about the Mig 29 :doh:
How about the SU25T(fully loaded with crosswind), can you land that? Mig29 takes practice, its quite easy after a few goes. A-10s the best place to start:thumb: .
can get it for 10 euros here ^^ muahaha
wolfstone
12-11-2005, 13:10
Heres some screenies to help ya decied
http://www.sitecenter.dk/wolfstone/nss-folder/scrapbog/ScreenShot_004.jpg
wolfstone
12-11-2005, 13:11
http://www.sitecenter.dk/wolfstone/nss-folder/scrapbog/ScreenShot_000.jpg
wolfstone
12-11-2005, 13:11
http://www.sitecenter.dk/wolfstone/nss-folder/scrapbog/ouch.JPG
wolfstone
12-11-2005, 13:12
http://www.sitecenter.dk/wolfstone/nss-folder/scrapbog/ScreenShot_001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Sehm/Lockon/ScreenShot_007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Sehm/Lockon/ScreenShot_011.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Sehm/Lockon/ScreenShot_121.jpg
crazy emergency landing in a field:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Sehm/Lockon/ScreenShot_152.jpg
Fried by a MiG... but still flying :thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Sehm/Lockon/ScreenShot_155.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/ScreenShot_499.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/ScreenShot_491.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/ScreenShot_488.jpg
ok, photo contest? LOL, here i go:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a92/the_flip/ScreenShot_041.jpg
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All pictures are Courtesy of 355th_Flip
(As you see im flying an A-10 in formation with the blue angels, i was the Solo 355th Demo Team A-10 Pilot and flew my display and the pictures were taken in the final big formation!)
Enjoy!
Flip of the 355th
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the rest
great shots guys :thumb: Subs, you just convinced me to go and fly some carrier ops again :smile:
You can now refuel/repair and rearm on the deck, so long as you can land.:bigsmile:
SimHQ have got an article of the upcoming Black Sea Operations here: http://simhq.com/_air5/air_173a.html
Ok. I'm now really confused:confused:
I'm a Falcon AF flyer in need of a LOMAC 101 class.
Who officially owns the license for LOMAC. Is it Ubisoft or Eagle Dynamics?
Whats the low down with these add-ons. According to Lock-on.ru Flaming Cliffs is an unofficial add-on. Is Black Shark official? Who is making this Black Sea Ops add-on or is it a mod? Are all these different versions and their patches inter-compatable?
Black Sea Ops looks like a step in the right direction (still doesn't seem nearly as dynamic an environment as AF though) Did i interpret it right that it is 100 missions purely in an F15C? Seems like a very long stint without any mud-moving action. Wouldn't that get boring?
I love AF but the 2nd rate graphics (outside of the cockpit) are starting to ruin the immersion for me. Anything that moves towards the happy medium of a dynamic environment with visual immersion would be very tempting.
I don't think that gap will truly be bridged until FO is released though.
ok Batfink, the situation is that Ubi owns the license for LO-Mac, but Eagle Dynamics were allowed to publish two addons in the LoMac branch, these being Flaming Cliffs, and Black Shark. Why it says un-official I can't answear, but since Ubi did not want to publish it I guess they had to put a "un-official" mark on it. As far as patches goes, Black Shark will include the original Lo-Mac and Flaming Cliffs addon. Patches over 1.1 cannot be applied to 1.0 - 1.02 etc.
The Black Sea Ops is a campaign created by a few enthusiasts, since no dynamic campaign is present in LoMac they use other means, wich gives you a sense of war, indeed, but still aren't dynamic.
I'd say LoMac is highly recommendable if you need a break from Falcon AF, and it is in MP that Lock On (LoMac ) really shines, it gets intense, furius and hot, even without the avionics of Falcon. :thumb:
yeah, BSO is a mod, that includes new images in the UI to give a feeling of the war I guess, and the war campaign itself, consisting of 100 F-15C missions, you are correct. The history behind the campaign seems awesome too. I think there exists plans to make the campaign with the MiG-29 and Su-27 later, but don't quote me on it though, lol.
http://blackseaops.com/BSO/
Thanks Sehm. That makes things a lot clearer:thumb:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/ScreenShot_526.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/ScreenShot_529.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v452/SUBS17/salute.jpg
@ Subs - If only they were flyable...Mmmmmmmmm.................Tomcat........ ...Mmmmmm.............Hornet...
......Mmmmmm......Aircraft Carriers..................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/DAZLER/MiscGifs/Simpsons%20gifs/simpsons-73.gif
they are flyable. You just gotta put humancockpit to = yes in the MeINIT file. The Problem is though that you get the SU33 Cockpit. Everything else is fun!
they are flyable. You just gotta put humancockpit to = yes in the MeINIT file. The Problem is though that you get the SU33 Cockpit. Everything else is fun!
Cool. I often use the flyanyframe hack in AF (Flying the Typhoon is much better fun than the F16 when you've got 12 Brimstones loaded up!) Do you get the appropriate weapons loadouts with the LOMAC hack...... my cursor is hovering over "add to basket" at Amazon.......(on the other hand that Su33 pit is sure ugly.........)
Its not a 33 pit but a 27, you can take off on Carriers but theres no hook to land with or refuelling probe. Yes you can use the weapons as well in most cases but the FM sucks. Still fun though:thumb:
Greyhound
12-29-2005, 21:32
To Wolfstone
I have to ask something
Is that screen with the name "Matt wagner" on the bottom of the last screen post to convince someone to decide to buy or not to buy lockon/flaming cliffs taken by yourself and you typed that name in or did you took that screen of the net?
IceManHG
12-29-2005, 23:14
Is there a player flyable F-16/w cockpit? If so I gota download it.
Greyhound
12-29-2005, 23:19
Is there a player flyable F-16/w cockpit? If so I gota download it.
In lock on there is no player flyable F16 if that was your question!
To Wolfstone
I have to ask something
Is that screen with the name "Matt wagner" on the bottom of the last screen post to convince someone to decide to buy or not to buy lockon/flaming cliffs taken by yourself and you typed that name in or did you took that screen of the net?
Matt Wagner is one of the pilot names that can be used for lockon(its in the pilot selection for logbook). He was one of the people that helped with lockon as was Stormin.
Is there a player flyable F-16/w cockpit? If so I gota download it.
Theres no F-16 pit only Su27 for Flaming Cliffs if you mod to make F-16 flyable. F-16 is coming one day though, after the next project after Black Shark from what I've read.
Warchild_82
01-17-2006, 18:07
Anyone got any screenies of Tank Killers?
Is there a player flyable F-16/w cockpit? If so I gota download it.
the only true flyables (ie pits and flight models) are:
Russian - Su-27, Su-33, Mig-29 and Su-25 (plus Su-25T if u have Flaming Cliffs.)
US - F-15 and A-10
From there you can fly and aircraft model substituing any of the cockpits and flight models from the true flyables. ie to fly an F-16 you can use the F-15 cockpit and flight model but visually from outside it will look like an F-16 so not a true flyable.
Anyone got any screenies of Tank Killers?
They are still working on Black Shark at the moment, heres the latest screenshots of Black Shark(Ka50) addon for lockon.(due for release in a few months)
http://www.lockon.ru/img/products/large/8032f815d8f8fdcca94a6f405d4b2ea0.jpg
http://www.lockon.ru/img/products/large/7690faaaa8dbc63791c8cc6d9d25289e.jpg
f-18hornet
01-18-2006, 12:46
I am ready for new update for LO:)
PS.Release month will be probably March.
SuperKungFu
01-21-2006, 02:53
PS.Release month will be probably March.
Probably not even though it does say March of 2006. Although ED is working on black shark, they didn't plan to have a 1.12 patch for FC. (which they are working hard on it btw) So that should set the release date a little while back.
greenlee
11-19-2008, 01:26
Lockon FC simulates missile behaviour and A/A combat more realistically in my view. Also the weapons effects on ground targets also is much better. I find online that in A/A engagements pilots use alot of tactics in the Squadron enviroment to win fights. You also have the added bonus of working with or against other aircraft types which each have their own characteristics. The SU25T is the big bonus to fly out of all of them as it also has an Advanced Flight Model. (it leaves all other FMs for dust, including F4AFs[hopefully the next AF patch will have better FM]). Add to this the behaviour of the F-15s FM(which is very close to the real F-15Cs curve) and aircraft such as the SU27 and Mig29 which can do high AOA and Cobra you can have some very interesting dogfights. On Hyperlobby some of the Servers are a bit like Airquake but occasionally there are A/G servers. Its definately worth it.
I definitely agree w/ you! :thumb:
greenlee
11-19-2008, 01:35
Different games.
People will tell you F4 is more realistic, but thats only a tiny bit of the story. LOMAC is beautifull and the flying experience is second to none.
There are negatives, but the game still shines through after taking a hammering.
Dont expect a Falcon4 War with all the bells and whistles but you can expect the best air combat and flying experience yet from a sim.
Falcon may be the wife, but LOMAC is a fine piece of ass that you just cant keep your hands off. ;)
LOL, Yep!:thumb:
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