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Vader
02-01-2005, 08:04
Hi Haole,
I have a question regarding icing on wepaons. How do you handle this? Are there some technics or installations to prevent your weapons from icing? I can imagine that for a example an AIM-120 will become useless if its servo controlled fins will become an ice chunk :bigsmile:

regards
Vader
Wipsnake
02-01-2005, 08:43
AIM 120's don't have anti ice systems. The servo's are seal inside the missile.
DEX
02-01-2005, 14:06
Well this raises an interesting question. When an aircraft enters conditions conducive to ice formation, ice will accumulate on smaller objects first. This is why if the pitot tube is visible from the flight deck, this will be one of the first things you'll see ice over. With this in mind, wouldn't the fins on a slammer be fairly susceptible to icing? Is there no defense against this whatsoever? This scenario doesn't seem that far fetched.

Assuming the pilot stays clear of icing throughout the flight, what happens if the missile encounters icing enroute to its target?
Haole
02-01-2005, 20:40
There is no de-icing available for weapons. We just stay out of icing conditions to the best of our ability. Sorry I dont have some cool weapon de-icing capability for ya!
:bigsmile:
Hammer_61
02-01-2005, 23:30
I gotta say that I never heard or seen any icing problems w/ weapons in my 15 years on the Viper.

Icing problems on beer bottles in the ops lounge... now that's a problem.
DEX
02-02-2005, 00:13
lol@Hammer

It just ocurred to me that traveling through the atmosphere at a few times the speed of sound, as a missile would, usually involves a significant amount of heat from friction alone. I suppose that could explain why.

http://fighterops.com/forum/images/smilies2/image0011.gif
Vader
02-02-2005, 06:12
Thanks guys for your answers :bigsmile:

Vader
Hammer_61
02-02-2005, 11:23
lol@Hammer

It just ocurred to me that traveling through the atmosphere at a few times the speed of sound, as a missile would, usually involves a significant amount of heat from friction alone. I suppose that could explain why.

http://fighterops.com/forum/images/smilies2/image0011.gif

While the heat from airspeed and friction isn't great at those speeds, the abrasive quality of 400+ kt airflow will peel the paint from the leading edges of the wings.
DEX
02-02-2005, 14:29
That explains it.
Sun Stealer
02-02-2005, 19:33
Vader, I have a video of a 9x on a jig that has a thick layer of ice on the control surfaces. The servo's are powerful enough to break the ice off straight away. I can email it to you if you like.

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Buckshot
02-02-2005, 19:35
Yes, I have seen tests like that also, you are totally correct.
Warchild_82
02-05-2005, 00:22
While the heat from airspeed and friction isn't great at those speeds, the abrasive quality of 400+ kt airflow will peel the paint from the leading edges of the wings.

Will this be implemented in Fighter Ops?
Pacman
02-05-2005, 04:54
Will this be implemented in Fighter Ops?


Don't push it, lol :smile:
*Merlin*
02-05-2005, 04:56
Don't push it, lol :smile:

lmao
Sun Stealer
02-05-2005, 19:50
LOL!

I'm curious about something Pacman...will the F-16 be flyable in FO?

:jester:

Just teasing Warchild_82 :beer:

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fatb0y60
08-11-2005, 10:01
what about icing on the airframe etc not weapons is this planned for FO?
Maple
08-11-2005, 11:37
Here are some pictures of some Vermont F-16's with some bad icing on them.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/aitke12/f-16ice1shaw012804.jpg
Buckshot
08-11-2005, 18:26
what about icing on the airframe etc not weapons is this planned for FO?

Yes
fatb0y60
08-12-2005, 00:07
wow i had no idea it got that bad ... never seen it before. That was from sitting still though not in flight.