Flyable ships

[spyro23]

I was wondering which is your favorite jet who you want to see in Ops series? I wish to fly:
F-16C/D Blk.52+ (polish version)
Mig-23ML
AV-8B+ Harrier II
A-6E Intruder
JAS-39 Grippen
Rafale

I know that some of them are old but there is no good Flight sim with these jets.

"Per astera ad astra"
:military: air engineer

[Zolos]

As long as I'm wishing.... I wish for modern carrier ops -- F/A-18 with fleet tankers (ex-A-6, S-3) or USAF tankers.

[IxianMace]

F/A-22
Su-27
Su-33
F/A-18E/F
F-117
U-2

I'd really like to fly the F/A-22 and the Su-27 in the future above all the others, but that's still a long way off, if they do get included as flyable.

[Sehm]

F/A-18E/F
F-22
Saab Gripen
Eurofighter :D

[Recio]

Tornado
F-15E
Harrier
A-6

[Vlerkies]

F-16
F-15
F-18
SAAB Gripen

:drink:

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[heatbreak]

F-16CJ Falcon

F-15E Strike Eagle

A-10 Thunderbolt II

F/A-22 Raptor

These are my favorites, but I'll be happy with pretty much any aircraft.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :D :D

[FlyBoy01]

Heatbreak,
If you add the Gripen you have my list of favorites. I really, REALLY want to see pilot/WSO coop in the F15E Strike Eagle before I die of old age. 8)

[Vlerkies]

:lol: i'll drink to that one :drink:


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[Hippy16th]

as long as we r dreaming/requesting

SR-71A
F-117
F-15E-229
F-16-too many diff to list, but all would be nice
F-104
F-111
A-10
A-6
EA-6
S-3
B-52
B-2
B-1
B-29
B-17
P-51
F/A-18 A-F models including the E/F-18F
F-14
F-4
F/A-22
Mitsubishi Zero
V-22 Osprey
AH-64
RAH-66
UH-60
UH-1 hey, we gotta have the hueys

Sorry for the long list, and that's not even all, but brain is fried...more to come..lol, not to mention these are just the US aircraft i like.

[IxianMace]

You know, that list may not be that unrealistic afterall. Although not all of them may or may not be included, FO is supposed to be continuously added on to, as has been stated somewhere on this forum.

So even after all the initial aircraft that were included with the sim are completely, the developers (or maybe even the community) might continue to add more and more aircraft to the list of realistically modelled flyable aircraft! 8)

It would make FO an incredible piece of work if lots of military aircraft were modelled with realistic flight models and avionics, and were flyable by the player. Fingers crossed. :military:

[Vlerkies]

That would be excellent, then you could have a whole virtual airbase with each person specialising in his or her own A/C for example one person can specialise in tank bsting with the A-10 while another person can specialise in SAR flying the huey



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[spyro23]

I know what you mean. A few years ago I was dreaming about total land war sim and my dream come true - Op. Flashpoint was relased. I hope that FO become this type sim :thumbsup:

[Slasher16]

If i had to pick one, I no its a common choice but i cant get enuf ofany version of the F-18...lol. I love carrier ops, i love evrything about the bird, whats not to like?

[Vlerkies]

When you run out of gas :lol:


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[Katz]

okay i know its not a jet but ...........

The Hog Rules :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

It uses a turbine engine, so it can be classified as a jet :thumbsup:


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[Allen]

The FighterOps FAQ lists:

"A-10 Thunderbolt II, F-15C Eagle, F-15E Eagle, F-16C Fighting Falcon & F-16D Fighting Falcon. ... [including] functioning front seat / back seat operation for the D & E model aircraft"

The A-10, F-15C, F-15E, and F-16C happen to be my favorites -- so, FighterOps covers me. I particularly like the front/back seat of the F-15E. Hopefully, the F-15E will allow two players front and back seat cooperative during LAN play :)

Also, since this is an international simulation, I would think at least one first class opponent to above aircraft should be flyable (for example, Su-27 or China variant) so, that our simming-friends from those countries will have something from the home-team to fly -- and, of course, to allow any group of players to "take sides".

However, for the Q4 2004 Demo, I would be happy with just a first class fully modeled F-16C. Getting something GOOD into the air very SOON is crucial to retain interest of the community, I think. :)

[Vlerkies]

I agree with you Allen, very well said
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[Hippy16th]

Don't take this the wrong way Vlerkies, but u r a freaking lush...i thought i was the master lush, but u pack away more than i ever could hope for....i bow to the master! Here's another for ya...(hoping u pass out so i retain my title)...lol :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:

[Vlerkies]

You don't need to bow, your a fellow lush, as for the passing out part it won't happen, coz i come from South Africa and here the people can lush bud
Thanks for the drinks here's a few for you
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[Bladehawk]

Brilliant !!!! Allen ! Well Said

The "Strong" point will be the F16C Blk50/52 ,a entire community will be WATCHING ! ina semi - :evil: state... :mrgreen:
:thumbsup:

[Ervani]

1. A-10
2. ThunderboltII
3. Warthog
4. Hawg
5. Tankkiller
6. Tankbuster

[VCVW-11ViperBite]

I'm just happy to see a company in the sim business that doesn't have it's head in its butt and is realy looking to make people happy. If the fans are happy then you make money. Finaly someone somewere is thinking RIGHT!

[spyro23]

Give him a big glass of beer :drink:
Good say!

[Vlerkies]

:drink:
There ya go ViperBite


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[Hotdog]

Vlerkies, jou alkie!

Plane list:

F-15E Strike Eagle
F-16 Various Blocks, Block 60 would be most welcome as well
Tornado IDF
Eurofighter Typhoon
JAS-39 Gripen
Dassault Rafale
Cessna 172 (An easy way to determine how good flight modelling has been done)
C-130

[Bladehawk]

MY LIST BY PREFERENCE 8)

F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F-16 BLK 50/52
F22 RAPTOR
F18 SUPER HORNET
F15 C
EUROFIGHTER

:mrgreen:

[Rooakh]

I would like to see a fully modeled F/A-18C/D or F/A-18E/F included in the release. However, if this were offered as an add-on that would also be fine.

[spyro23]

Ok
I see that you have many favorites jets which you want see flyable in FO. But if you must choose ONLY ONE?? Which one ?
I will choose AV 8 B Harrier II
P.S. Sorry for my English

[Vlerkies]

Yeah Hotdog you know how it is down here in S.A. :thumbsup:

If i only had to choose one A/C? mmmmmm....

F-16CJ


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For everyone


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[Bladehawk]

Yeah Hotdog you know how it is down here in S.A. :thumbsup:

If i only had to choose one A/C? mmmmmm....

F-16CJ


:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:
For everyone


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F-16CJ here too !!! :drink:

[Vlerkies]

Yep that's going to be my primary A/C i fly on single play as well as online
when FO hits the shelves. I'll learn how to fly the other ones in case one of the squadron pilots call in sick and they need a pilot for that A/C

:drink: :drink:


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[IxianMace]

Ok
I see that you have many favorites jets which you want see flyable in FO. But if you must choose ONLY ONE??

F/A-18C

[Vlerkies]

Ixian are you Navy or Marines?

:drink:


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[spyro23]

propably both :mrgreen:

[Vlerkies]

lol...a drink for you Spyro :drink:

and everybody else :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:



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[mark_ye13]

Wet Dream come true, I'd like to see the Russian planes get a fair shake. Most sims either have them dumbed-down or unavailable.

Su-39 (not the berkut)
Su-37
Su-35
Su-34
Su-33
Su-27
Su-25
Mig-31
Mig-29

I like to play the underdog, but they aren't completely inept. For instance, the Mig-29, Su-27 and S-33(?) you could use in F4 SP3 didn't allow you to use the Russian advantages. For instance, Russians have never been able to compete with our tracking and guidance radars. That's why they have IR missiles that can go BVR and the more recent fighters have a big-ass IR sensor on their nose. Flying NOE with your radar off keeps you off the screens of the NATO Acft a little longer, allows you to engage them without locking on and giving yourself away, etc. Never really recreated in a flight sim. So you have a really manouverable "knife fight" acft that can't get in the envelope unless there is more luck than skill involved. How about we make it a real challenge. Allow people to pick the side (red or blue) and make it a realistic challenge? Just my opinion, not to take anything away from the dedicated NATO (especially F16) drivers out there, but I'd love to meet you out in the open sky with a realistic russian plane and give you a run for your money. Any takers?

[mark_ye13]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the AA-11 that you could never engage at the realistic extreme AOA. It was treated like a AIM-9 and that isn't right. OK, I'm done crying now.

[Bladehawk]

Wet Dream come true, I'd like to see the Russian planes get a fair shake. Most sims either have them dumbed-down or unavailable.

Su-39 (not the berkut)
Su-37
Su-35
Su-34
Su-33
Su-27
Su-25
Mig-31
Mig-29

I like to play the underdog, but they aren't completely inept. For instance, the Mig-29, Su-27 and S-33(?) you could use in F4 SP3 didn't allow you to use the Russian advantages. For instance, Russians have never been able to compete with our tracking and guidance radars. That's why they have IR missiles that can go BVR and the more recent fighters have a big-ass IR sensor on their nose. Flying NOE with your radar off keeps you off the screens of the NATO Acft a little longer, allows you to engage them without locking on and giving yourself away, etc. Never really recreated in a flight sim. So you have a really manouverable "knife fight" acft that can't get in the envelope unless there is more luck than skill involved. How about we make it a real challenge. Allow people to pick the side (red or blue) and make it a realistic challenge? Just my opinion, not to take anything away from the dedicated NATO (especially F16) drivers out there, but I'd love to meet you out in the open sky with a realistic russian plane and give you a run for your money. Any takers?

:roll: Please not another...
If you want a good reply to that question its easy:

1º - Try to put F4+Sp4+Bms103 haa and please turn the ace pilot on please :roll:
2 º - Go to the G2i forum and see the reply of Capt. Haole about a SU33...

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[spyro23]

mark_ye13 want to see in fair shake this jets

Su-37
Su-35

We talk about realism and those aircrafts simply don't match to hyper realistic sim!
Why I think that?? One simple reason- there are only prototypes (like Mig 1-44 or S-32/S-39 Berkut). Mostly technology prototypes( platform to new avionics, engines ect.) Currently russia have big financial problems and in near future will rather upgrate combat jets (Mig-29SMK, SM, M; Su27 PM?, M) Other countries prefer buy cheaper wersions of Su's and Mig's (Su-27/30MKK,MKI,Mig-29 (ver. 9.13b).
You can say that in near future these jets will be (propably) in units but I seriously doubt it.
But this is only my opinion.

P.S.
I wrote few names of some jets because Russian loved give different names to one aircraft
Example: Su-34, Su-32FN, Su-27IB - this is one jet!!!!

[mark_ye13]

Bladehawk,

Yep, another.
#1 - I had F4+SP4+BMS1.03 and I alway max out the settings to make it more challenging. I didn't say that F4 didn't try, I said it didn't cut it.
#2 - I searched all over the forum and couldn't find a "Capt. Haole". Found a "Haole" but none of his replies were about the Su-33. Maybe you could point me in the direction (i.e. be more specific)?

I gather from your replies in this forum that you are under the assumption that FO is really F4 part 2, just called FO for legal reasons. There are other acft in the world. Not everyone is standing in line to fly only the F16. If G2I gives it a go and the results are satisfactory, I'd be more than willing to crush your hopes and dreams in an online competition. I'll be eagerly awaiting their release of Naval Ops (maybe) or, more likely, Adversary Ops to make this possible. Keep in touch, and keep training. I won't want to hear excuses, just see crushed pride.

[Bladehawk]

I admire the russian aircraft designers look at the Mig29 is beutifull and deadly !!

I hope that FO series will have all units simulated in a Hyper Realistic way !

I like real challenges... 8)

[mark_ye13]

Spyro23,

Good point, but the way I see it, G2I has 3 options:
1. Make every Campaign completely off balanced in the favor of the US.
2. Balance it out by severely limiting the # of US aircraft in relation to the enemy.
3. Using the newer technology available out there to make it more of a challenge. I, personally, would rather tangle with a few Su-35's or Su-39's than a larger number of Mig-21s and Mig-23s. It can get old after a while. Just my opinion. I will be standing-by for Bladehawk's disagreement...

[Bladehawk]

Spyro23,

Good point, but the way I see it, G2I has 3 options:
1. Make every Campaign completely off balanced in the favor of the US.
2. Balance it out by severely limiting the # of US aircraft in relation to the enemy.
3. Using the newer technology available out there to make it more of a challenge. I, personally, would rather tangle with a few Su-35's or Su-39's than a larger number of Mig-21s and Mig-23s. It can get old after a while. Just my opinion. I will be standing-by for Bladehawk's disagreement...

"If, you personally, would rather tangle with a few Su-35's or Su-39's" Don´t forget that USAF has the F22 Raptor...do you like to tangle with that?? :mrgreen: oops you have forget the ... little RAPTOR ...
:wink:
We must admit the facts that even for a super power is hard to maintain the war costs, now imagine for the rest...

But yea I agree with you... A good campaign was for example Korea 2006 with SU35, SU39 V F22 , F16, F15 Raptor but don´t forget many billions in one side of the balance and a ruined economy on the other...
:drink:

[mark_ye13]

I'm glad this discussion is turning out better than it started. Actually, I think it would be interesting to fly the newer Sukhoi's against the Raptor. Neither would use their radar unless absolutely necessary (or the pilot was dumb). In that case both of them would in effect be "stealth" to each other. Even a flying box doesn't give a return to a radar that isn't active. At that point the Raptor would have to rely on AWACS support for targeting, and even then they would have to: a. activate their radar,
b. shoot that bird blind, or c. get in range for an AIM-9. The Sukhoi's wouldn't have as good support from AWACS (meaning AWACS-type aircraft, not very likely unfriendly nations could get their hands on a E-3 Sentry), but could detect and engage the Raptor from further away without being detected from the Raptor.

A quick story about technology:
When the "Race for space" was in full bloom, the US realized that their ballpoint pens didn't work in space. NASA spent tens of MILLIONS of dollars and YEARS of research on this problem. They finally created a pen that worked after all that. The Russians had simply been using pencils from day one.

About the cost issue you brought up, it's quite true. It also would lead to either a conflict with a Russia that has gone Hard-line Communist again (thereby negating the cost issue), or China (who has a limited open economy) which could afford a drawn out conflict with the US, especially since it's right next door to them and halfway around the world for us.

[spyro23]

Wet Dream come true, I'd like to see the Russian planes get a fair shake. Most sims either have them dumbed-down or unavailable.

Su-39 (not the berkut)
Su-37
Su-35


I dont know you know that Su-39 (1 seater) is a modern version of 2 seater version of Su-25. You want fly aginst him ??? ( is a challanging plane? )
One fighter pilot says once: " In the air are only two types aircraft : fighters and targets" :mrgreen:

I think we don't need super modern russian planes to make chalanging campagin. Modernised version of Su-27 (M ver.) and Mig-29 (M/SMT),also new China and Pakistan fighters(J-series) with western avionics(almost in duty!), could be really danger when opponent use good tactic and build good information exchange system.
At least reserves of modern and precision weapons are finite. Soon or later you will be fly with Mk.8x and old versions sidewinders.

[spyro23]

I admire the russian aircraft designers look at the Mig29 is beutifull and deadly !!


Admire russian designers/aircrafts yes
Mig-29 is beautifull ? Only for long distance, sometimes when I stand few feet near Mig I wonder how he can fly! (very very well fly) This jutting out parts, rivets ect. Hmmmm
Russian says "Gniot sia nie łamiot sia" (bending but not break) and they have right. :D :thumbsup:

[mark_ye13]

spyro23,

I know about the differences between the designations of Russian Aricraft, I just defaulted to the NATO designations. I just think if they end up incorporating the Raptor and/or Eurofighter into FO, they should include the newer Russian aircraft too.

Your quote: "In the air are only two types aircraft : fighters and targets". The 9 years I was a grunt, I never once bought a drink for a Fighter Pilot, but I NEVER let our CAS pay for a drink (Harriers, Hornets, etc). Next to Docs and Seabees, the Hornet pilots are the only Squids that could drink our beer and date our sisteres.

[spyro23]

I've never said that i drink with pilot. By the way, what is/are CAS and Seabees?? Can you explain this to me??

[mark_ye13]

spyro23,
I am a United States Marine. Alcohol isn't a beverage, it's a religion (usually ends up with a lot of praying, and kneeling before an altar!). CAS is Close Air Support. Those are the planes that drop the bombs on the targets we need hit so we don't get made dead. The United States Marines work closely with the United States Navy (any shipmates out there, keep your smart-assed comments to yourself until I'm finished!). We don't have our own doctors and surgeons so we use the Navy ones. And the Seabees are construction units or Construction Battalions (CBs). It got changed over time to Sea (like the ocean) Bees (like the bug), and a Bee with goggles and carrying a harpoon is their symbol (last I checked). They dig us fighting positions so we don't get made dead from enemy mortars, artillary or the above mentioned enemy CAS aircraft. The United States Marines figure that if these people are going to help us stay alive so we can make it home alive, the least we can do is get them sloppy drunk as much as possible. Kind of an investment.

[T-rex]

I like the f-15 , F-16, f-4,fa-18, f-22 would be nice:)
A10 is nice for ground pounding missions. Maybe some others, mig 29, su 33 ,harrier, euro fighter. Man I'm ready for this one!!!! T-rex

[Vlerkies]

spyro23,
I am a United States Marine. Alcohol isn't a beverage, it's a religion (usually ends up with a lot of praying, and kneeling before an altar!). The United States Marines figure that if these people are going to help us stay alive so we can make it home alive, the least we can do is get them sloppy drunk as much as possible. Kind of an investment.



Lol.. well said bud


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[Bladehawk]

spyro23,
I am a United States Marine. Alcohol isn't a beverage, it's a religion (usually ends up with a lot of praying, and kneeling before an altar!). CAS is Close Air Support. Those are the planes that drop the bombs on the targets we need hit so we don't get made dead. The United States Marines work closely with the United States Navy (any shipmates out there, keep your smart-assed comments to yourself until I'm finished!). We don't have our own doctors and surgeons so we use the Navy ones. And the Seabees are construction units or Construction Battalions (CBs). It got changed over time to Sea (like the ocean) Bees (like the bug), and a Bee with goggles and carrying a harpoon is their symbol (last I checked). They dig us fighting positions so we don't get made dead from enemy mortars, artillary or the above mentioned enemy CAS aircraft. The United States Marines figure that if these people are going to help us stay alive so we can make it home alive, the least we can do is get them sloppy drunk as much as possible. Kind of an investment.


mark_ye13 ... You Kill me !!!! LOL :D

[Vlerkies]

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No words, just drink :thumbsup:


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[mark_ye13]

Vlerkies and Bladehawk,

Thanks for the support. You guys are the best Jock-straps a guy could ask for *wipe a tear from my eye* JK! With an international community of alcoholic fanatics, how could G2I fail? I first checked the FO site out right after the announcement of G2I switching from Falcon to FO. MAN! I never saw more grown men crying a river. I was quickly running out of shoulders for people to cry on. I'm just glad the initial frustration has passed and people are being much more constructive in their postings. Oh yeah, and Vlerkies, I count 24 beers in your last 2 posts. That could be 2 beers for each Marine in my squad. I MUST get back to Africa and repay the favor. Unfortunately I only get to go where the "fun" is, so how about a little border conflict in the interests of improving American/South African relations?

You'll never hear that from Cameron R. Hume!

Tschüss Kameraden!

[Bladehawk]

Why is the RAPTOR my Favorite to FO after the F16 ?... read this... its interesting...

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=64207
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[Vampyre]

I for one am looking forward to getting my hands on an F-14. I'd also love to drive a B-1B into enemy territory and really cause some havoc. SEAD is a fav of mine so any fighter capable would be nice too (F-4G, F-16CJ, F/A-18 A/B/C/D/E/F/G, even the F-105G if yall go back that far). As for foreign jets I'd like to see the Tornado F3/GR1-4/IDS/ECR, MiG-23, MiG-27, Gripen, Mirage F-1, Mirage 2000C/D/N, Rafale, Tu-22M, F-111, Harrier GR7, Jaguar, MiG-21, Mig-29, Mig-17, and Mig-25. There are so many I would love to fly... Just do all the aircraft that were flyable on Fighters Anthology and I will be in heaven. If i have to pick one the F-14D Super Tommy is my girl. Anytime Baby!

[Vlerkies]

Vlerkies and Bladehawk,

Thanks for the support. You guys are the best Jock-straps a guy could ask for *wipe a tear from my eye* JK! With an international community of alcoholic fanatics, how could G2I fail? I first checked the FO site out right after the announcement of G2I switching from Falcon to FO. MAN! I never saw more grown men crying a river. I was quickly running out of shoulders for people to cry on. I'm just glad the initial frustration has passed and people are being much more constructive in their postings. Oh yeah, and Vlerkies, I count 24 beers in your last 2 posts. That could be 2 beers for each Marine in my squad. I MUST get back to Africa and repay the favor. Unfortunately I only get to go where the "fun" is, so how about a little border conflict in the interests of improving American/South African relations?

You'll never hear that from Cameron R. Hume!

Tschüss Kameraden!



Always a pleasure bud. I like the idea of a little border conflict.
:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: here have some more. Stock is running out that is why there is so little. Need to go stock up again. :thumbsup:


Oh and B.T.W. Marines rock :punk:


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[Shibby]

I'd like to see the following A/C flyable in FO:

F-16C/D
F-15E
A-10
AV8B Harrier
F/A-18C

About Russian A/C: It would be very nice to combat human pilots, but I'm not a big fan of russian fighters, I only like their looks.

And if implented in the future I would also like to fly helis like the AH-64D apache and MI-24 Hind and more.

[chaikr]

i would like to fly:
su-27
mig-29
f-15I (israeli F-15 based on the E platform if i'm not mistaken)
f-16I *israeli F-16 block 52 based)

[SUBS17]

Heres my list:
Carrier add-on:F/A-18, F-14, A7, A6, F8, S3, SU33, Super Endard, A4, Rafael
Ruski add-on Mig 29, SU27, Mig 21, Mig 23, Mig 27 ,Mig 25 ,Mig 31 , SU25 ,SU24
European add-on Viggen, Draken ,Gripen ,Mirage ,Harrier ,Tornado ,Jaguar
Bombers add-on B1B, B2, F111, Blackjack, Backfire, Vulcan, Bear, Bison
My favourite would have to be the F-14
If you guys like Russian aircraft have a look at LOMAC, I especially like the Frogfoot and SU33 in that sim.

[GR101]

F-16 First
F-15E pehaps hehehe...
I have no interesting on those new planes, there arent enough data/resource to make them very reality.

[Bladehawk]

My Favorites...

F16 Blk 52
F22 Raptor
F18 Superhornet
EF2000
F15 C
Su33
Mig29
Su27

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[Pacman]

a. activate their radar,
b. shoot that bird blind, or c. get in range for an AIM-9.


Hehe noop, he would fire the missile and the guidance would come from the "AWACS"

Or one AC in the flight could offset from the others, activate his radar and "light" the enemy flight for his collegues, he or the flightlead can even indicate which targets shall be fired upon by which AC.

Best,

[Katz]

okay my favourites are

Mig29s
Su-27
A-10

:tongue: :thumb:

[Stuntie]

I like the F-15E,
Typhoon,
Strike Eagle,
Harriers,
Mudhens,
Tornadoes,

Oh and I like the McDonald F-15E Strike Eagle as well.

[Piotr44]

i would like to fly:

F-16 my favorite :smile:
F-15
F-18
F-22

and please no soviet crap :evils:

[Katz]

excuse me whats with the comment about no soviet crap as what would you fly against without those aircraft in the game

[Charlie_VFP]

I think he is refering to flyables.

And if we didnt have any of the soviet crap in there, then we can fly against other US aircraft and actually have a challenge. :bigsmile:

[Katz]

well eventually the russian aircraft will be flyable in the game and i would think that if your not wanting them in there then you must be worried your going to get beaten by them.

they can beat the US aircraft with human pilots as its been done quite a few times in falcon as even i as a newbie to falcon have taken out US fighter aircraft flying a Mig29a or Mig29s and that was against AI and Human pilots :tongue:

[Buckshot]

Yeah, nothing better than flying against a russian built target... I mean jet :tongue:

[Katz]

Buckshot you wouldnt say that if you were up against our squad as we fly red side regular :wink2: :tongue:

[Precog]

My vote goes to the F/A-18C because Im a biased Aussie who likes to multi-task :)

[Fairford]

U-2 , this way I can spy on all your bases.

[SUBS17]

Yeah, nothing better than flying against a russian built target... I mean jet :tongue:
The Falcon 4 models of the russian flyables is not very authentic. If you want to try a more realistic view of the Russian perspective try Lock On. As for being flying targets I doubt it. Alot of those newer Russian aircraft and missiles are more than a match for their western counterparts. If you do not believe me try using EOS in the Mig29. I'd also say some of the North Korean aircraft are about the same. My favourite Russian aircraft would have to be the SU33.

[jhook]

To me, it depends on the circumstances...

- F-18 E/F for attack (it carries the most weapons v's any other fighter/attack type aircraft)

-Su-37 for close "doggy style" fighting (can out turn any other aircraft currently in production, and the Su-37 is in production)

-F/A-22 for a combined, all around, do it all, fighter (nothing, but nothing beats STEALTH)

[ricnunes]

My favourite aircraft and the one that I would most like to see flyable is the:

F/A-18F

If possible with a modeled WSO even if only to a limited extend (warning about enemy aircraft/missiles, managing countermeasures or designating targets if ordered)

[recon_sct]

i would love to have carrier ops with the F-18 E/F

but what about the:
SR-71 Blackbird
F-117A Stealth fighter

It would be great to see those two maybe not at first release but later on!

SCOUTS OUT!

[ricnunes]

Yeah, I agree on the F-117!
It's a cool (and stealth :bigsmile: ) plane and It's avionics aren't too complicated (compared for example with an F-16, F/A-18 or even an F-15) so I think it would be a rather simple aircraft to model!

[Showtime]

MiG-29

This topic looks familiar...

[ricnunes]

As for being flying targets I doubt it. Alot of those newer Russian aircraft and missiles are more than a match for their western counterparts. If you do not believe me try using EOS in the Mig29. I'd also say some of the North Korean aircraft are about the same.

Well, REAL combat scenarios (Desert Storm, Kosovo) have shown a very diferent reality! :wink2:
Until now Russian aircraft and Specially missiles didn't prove that they are good in combat, only by the contrary!

[TBH]

F16I
F15I
Lavi
F16C/D BARAK (israeli)
F15C BAZ (israeli)
Phantom!!

[Pacman]

Well, REAL combat scenarios (Desert Storm, Kosovo) have shown a very diferent reality! :wink2:
Until now Russian aircraft and Specially missiles didn't prove that they are good in combat, only by the contrary!

Hehe you can't compare that to a full scale war against the soviets or China.
That's where those AC will be tested to the limit.

The amount of AC with which the allies outnumbered the "enemy" was way to high for even in Desert storm the Iraqi's didn't even dare to take off because the air was saturated with allied AC.
Also the combat readiness and maintenance levels for Iraq AC aren't even comparable with the allied forces.
Comes with it that those countries have export models that don't even include the newer SU and Mig upgrades and/ or AC.

Best,

[Charlie_VFP]

Forget the Super Bug. It is not all that great an aircraft. Honestly, I know this from experiance.

If you want to place your money in the hornet's hand, go with the C/D model. It is a time and combat proven aircraft and the later lots are remarkable aircraft.

[Buckshot]

I must say though, the ability of the superbug to perform with a full load of stores is quite amazing, no CAT limiter in that thing.




Forget the Super Bug. It is not all that great an aircraft. Honestly, I know this from experiance.

If you want to place your money in the hornet's hand, go with the C/D model. It is a time and combat proven aircraft and the later lots are remarkable aircraft.

[ruprecht]

Naval F/A-18 and F-14.
AH-64D and Eurocopter Tiger (attack and recce variants).
Medevac Huey.
Naval A-4.

Is there any reason a Tiger couldn't lase a target diamond for an A-10?

[SUBS17]

Well, REAL combat scenarios (Desert Storm, Kosovo) have shown a very diferent reality! :wink2:
Until now Russian aircraft and Specially missiles didn't prove that they are good in combat, only by the contrary!

I don't think Desert Storm or Kosovo are very good examples as in both conflicts the use of cruise missiles and Stealth aircraft penetrated the defences first. Also Iraq sent most of its top combat aircraft to Iran, who in turn never gave them back at the end of the war and Russia gave the coalition data on the Radars and Missiles that Iraq had. This helped them defeat the Iraqi defences with electronic counter measures, anti-radiation missiles etc.

[ricnunes]

Hehe you can't compare that to a full scale war against the soviets or China.
That's where those AC will be tested to the limit.

The amount of AC with which the allies outnumbered the "enemy" was way to high for even in Desert storm the Iraqi's didn't even dare to take off because the air was saturated with allied AC.
Also the combat readiness and maintenance levels for Iraq AC aren't even comparable with the allied forces.
Comes with it that those countries have export models that don't even include the newer SU and Mig upgrades and/ or AC.

Best,

I'm not comparing Desert Storm or Kosovo to a "full scale war" with China or Russia! I'm comparing it to the "recent combat trainings" like that F-15 vs Su-30 (that appeared to be more the result of an F/A-22 lobby) or the exagerated Russian data on the abilities of their aircraft/missiles!
Obviously in the event of a "full scale war" with China or Russia the US would surelly have great looses but I believe that they (US) would be in overall the winners in the Air-to-Air "arena" (Ground combat excluded)

Also don't forget that most of the aerial engagements that happened in Desert Storm (and also in Kosovo/Serbia) involved the same number of aircraft (usually 2 versus 2) and weren't "gigantic" engagements involving lets say for example 300 Vs 30 airplanes!

Yeap, you're right about the pilot training, US (and Coalition pilots in general) were much better trained than their Iraqi counterparts (despite the Iraqis having some combat experience during Iran/Iraq war).
But US pilots also have better training than the Russians and Chinese pilots for that matter (at least in the present day)!

And finally there are the combats that took place during Ethiopia/Eritrea war, were Russian equipment opposed Russian equipment like for example Ethiopian Su-27 flown by Russian Mercenary pilots (and experienced ones) oposed Eritrean Mig-29 supported by the Ukranians. Also note that the Su-27 and Mig-29 were NOT export versions!
In that war the R-27 (or AA-10 in NATO designation) which is the main Russian Medium-Radar Radar-Guided Air-to-Air missile performed even worst than the AIM-7 Sparrow during the Vietnam War!
As a side info note the R-73 (AA-11) short range IR guided missile performed very well in that war as opposed to the R-27 (as expected)

[ricnunes]

Forget the Super Bug. It is not all that great an aircraft. Honestly, I know this from experiance.

If you want to place your money in the hornet's hand, go with the C/D model. It is a time and combat proven aircraft and the later lots are remarkable aircraft.

Well there are many other pilots that claim otherwise!
From what Bugshoot said about the footages of the Super Hornet manouvers when loaded with weapons and Drop tanks and also clean (I've seen those footages) I must say that the Super Hornet is very impressive inded in terms of manouverability and agility!
That together with Super Hornet's longer range, more reduced RCS, capable of Higher AoA Manouvers (unlimited AoA), more advanced Avionics and Radar (after 2005 when they will receive the APG-79 AESA), Higher weapons capacity and much more advanced countermeasures (and many other advantages that I don't recall right now) when compared with previous Hornets variants, I think that are more than reasons to say with almost 100% confidence that the Super Hornet is a MUCH Better aircraft than the previous Hornets (which are also excelent)!
I have no doubt to say that the Super Hornet is one of best aircraft projects of our days and probably even the best (excluding the F/A-22 and the F-35 JSF, obviously).

[Buckshot]

lol, bugshoot?:bigeyes:

[ricnunes]

Oops, sorry Buckshot I confused your name (I was a distraction of mine)! :red: :bigsmile:

[Buckshot]

hehe, no worries




Oops, sorry Buckshot I confused your name (I was a distraction of mine)! :red: :bigsmile:

[Kevler]

F-16 A/B/C/D/E/F
MiG-21
MiG-25
Mirage F-1
Mirage 2000
F-15S

[TigerShark]

Favorite flyable jet would be:

F15
F16
F/A 18

and wow, isn't that sweet how Fighterops specializes in ALL three! Atleast I THINK they are going to have the F/A18 in there. The beta screens on the site show a rear and wing view in the F/A 18, so I can only assume. (can anyone confirm this)

I grew fond of the F-15 from all the early 90's sims of the aircraft and the classic Janes F15. The F/A 18 passion is from, the very obvious, Janes F/A 18. and we ALL know why I love the Viper.

I can't wait for FO!

TS

[Buckshot]

The hornet is certainly high on everyone's list, but won't be in the initial release unfortunately, I can almost guarantee though that it will be one of the first additional aircraft added.

[TigerShark]

interesting thread...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[tasdev]

F-16CG/CJ
Su27
Su30

tasdev

[Red Gold and Green]

Mig 21 Fishbed, probably my fav,
and,
Tornado 'F3?' interceptor
hmmm,
Eurofighter,
and ive always wanted to fly those big military planes,
C17 etc, would be a laugh. :thumb:

[LaWMaN]

A-10

[DEX]

Blue:


Air Force:
F-16 Block 50/52 - Ofcourse.
F-15C Eagle and/or E Strike Eagle - I'm curious about what it can do in comparison to my beloved F-16 in A-A BVR, A-A WVR and A-G employments (from in the pit, not just numbers).


Navy:
F/A-18 Hornet C/D and E/F - Again, I'm curious. (lots o' hype)
F-14 Tomcat, ?the most advanced model? - This is a legendary aircraft. It would be interesting to get to know it from a stick/rudder and avionics standpoint and see what it's really about.

Red:


Migs:
Mig-29A and Mig-29S


Sukhois:
Su-27
Su-30MKI
Su-33 "Naval Flanker" - I may be wrong, but I think most of the other 30 series Sus are just show birds. If this is not the case, then the latest one.

I imagine it would be quite difficult to get performance and avionics information on these Russian birds.


Edit: This is actually more of a wish list than a favorite list. Currently, the only aircraft I fly is the F-16 BLK 52 and that's my fav.

[Vicente_cgn]

I loved playing "Tornado" from Digital Integration years ago and for sure I would be happy to fly this plane again in FO!

Bye,
-Vic-

[tiger]

f-16block52,mirage2000-5

[romagnoli]

Here are the aircrafts i'd like to pilot :

F-14 Tomcat
F-15 Eagle
F-16 Falcon
F-18 Hornet
Rafale
Mig-29 Fulcrum
Su-27 et Su-33 Flanker

Even if the Tomcat is an old plane, I can't understand why it has almost disappeared from simularors, please, this jet is too pretty to be put aside, I sure many people wish like me they could pilot it.

[a.m.i]

I wish...

F-16 - all blocks...
F-15
A-4
F-4
Fouga magister CM170 / Tzukit
Mirage 3c
mystere & super mystere
Mig21
Su27
C130
Boeing 707
mig19/17
mig29
Grob 120a

and later on maybe more...

[RaBBiT]

The A10`s are mean Mothers but the one fighter that can out manouver some, and definately plonk down into your back yard would be the AV-8b Harrier.
It packs a decent payload and it can get you from A to B ........ with a lot of destruction in between!

Rabbit........................out

[Eihort]

F-4
A-4
A-6
A-8
Mirage IIIc
Kfir
Mystere
Super Mystere
Oarouaouanaouangan (That crazy named bird Israel and the Arabs had, however you spell it)
MiG-21
Su-7
Su-22

Okay... so I like the 60s... sue me.

[G-BEAR]

Just to name a few:

F-14D
F/A-18 E/F
A-6
A-4
F-4
A-7
A-10
F-16 (all variants)
F-15 (all variants)

G-BEAR

[G-BEAR]

Why wouldn't the F/A-18 be one of the first planes out in the Sim? It seems to be high on everyone's list and does not need to operate from a Carrier if that is one of the reasons. The F/A-18 can and is operated from land bases so I would think that it should have a decent shot at coming out in the first run.....

Any thoughts out there?

G-BEAR

[Eihort]

Well the F/A-18 is primarily a naval aircraft and if you did add it, a lot of people would ask where the other naval aircraft were.

When we finally get the F-18, I certainly hope we'll get aggressor skins. >:)

[Redstormer]

I would like to fly in:
F-117
A-10
F-16
F-15 E
Apache-Longbow

[Top Gunner]

Actually I'd like to fly a couple of less well-known stuff- F-16/79 and F-20A.

F-16/79 is F-16 power by J79 turbojet. I think everyone knows what F-20 is.

I had a bit of errr...... let's say "mixed feelings" about these two. Both types were almost sold to Taiwan. Then the politics. Hell, I'm currently collecting parts that allow me to build a model F-16/79 in 1/48 scale......

But then again, F-CK-1 (aka IDF) came into being and we eventually got F-16 (albeit much later and Block 20 machines were arguably the best air defense F-16 at the time they were aquired) because of politics as well.

Other than those...... perhaps every variant (French-origin and otherwise) of Mirage III, Mirage 5, and Mirage 50- although none of these had anything to do with either of my countries.

And YF-17 (that one's for fun) .

[Sun Stealer]

Would be nice to have AWACS/JSTARS platforms manned by actual people rather than 'AI.' As JHook pointed out in another thread, controllers are assigned a 'kill box' to monitor. Would add to the realism and immersion to hear an actual person on the end of the line (with voice comm software of course). Might not be as exciting to sit there in front of a scope, as flying a jet, but I'm sure some people would be interested. Its an integral part of modern fighter ops too so would be in keeping with the sim.

Just a thought anyway. :smile:

[Buckshot]

Yes this has also been discussed, and I attended an expo recently where software that already works with X-Plane was being demonstrated alowing a full simulation of Air traffic control systems of a major airport. The demo I saw had three pc's and controllers, one doing Ground movements, one doing tower and one doing airspace management. The three pc's were on a LAN and connected to the internet where virtual pilots were flying the sim, talking to and being passed between the various controllers. There is in fact quite a large network of people who do this as their hobby, operate virtual control towers etc, most are trainee or qualified ATC in their day to day jobs. This sort of system will be implemented with Fighter Ops for ATC AWACS JSTARS etc at some point.

[Sun Stealer]

Wow. Yeah, real ATC sounds interesting. I'd be more inclined to correctly follow their vectors instead of doing my own thing. :bigsmile:

Makes you wander how far things could be taken. One day we won't be able to tell the difference between the real and virtual world. We'll all be happily chewing on virtual Tinker burgers! :bigsmile:

[LaMich]

Mig21
Mig23
Su22

:bigsmile:

[galevsky]

Mig21
Mig23
Su22

+1

[ricnunes]

F/A-18F (The 2 Seater Super Hornet)

[sweinhart3]

Ive been interested in mostly the f-16 and the F-22 Raptor. One of the best flight sims I came across was EF2000 Eurofighter (the original DOS version as the latest one for windows is horrible.) I spent hours just getting the in-flight refueling down to a ten minute operation. I would really like to see that aircraft in there also. The EF2000 is supposed to be one of the only real competitors for the F-22.

[galevsky]

The EF2000 is supposed to be one of the only real competitors for the F-22.

I am not really sure that we can compare this two aircrafts as you did. Can you say us which are the others, in your opinion ? As for the Raptor in FO, I am not sure that adding it will not create a gap between the others ; the team must take care of the generation of the planes, and define a period for the avionics. This work is necessary if you want to have a well-balanced game with equivalent aircrafts.

[jhook]

I am not really sure that we can compare this two aircrafts as you did. Can you say us which are the others, in your opinion ? As for the Raptor in FO, I am not sure that adding it will not create a gap between the others ; the team must take care of the generation of the planes, and define a period for the avionics. This work is necessary if you want to have a well-balanced game with equivalent aircrafts.

Hey galevsky,
Your absolutly right. The F-22 would unbalance the game. No question. But there will only be 2 or 3 squadrons up and running in the next 4 years. (budget cuts) So getting to one of those squadrons in FO should be difficult. Let's say you completed 100 hours of flying time in an F-15, then you become eligable for a transfur. It is just a thought.
As for the real Typhoon v's the Raptor, give me a break please!!!!!!!, the Typhoon would get smoked 20 miles out and wouldn't know what hit him! :bigeyes:

[galevsky]

All that I can say is that I hope you are doing a nice job, I know how difficult it is, so I just can encourage you :wink2: . For example, Lock-On tryed to do that, and the result is not so bad. Some details are wrong, but it is really hard to choose which avionic will be used for each plane. For example, LO developers team has choosen to implement a A-10 with LASTE 4.0, so all the others planes must be equipped with avionics before the 1996. And it is not the case, unfortunately, (I think at the MICA-IR missile and so on...), but a simulator with several flyable aircrafts is really different from the single-flyable plane ones. All the game around the simulator is different, the public is different, the things made around (competitions etc...) are different. As for an example, we are trying to develop a Fighting School for Lock-on French community, and the multi-flyable aspect must be managed with special solutions. I am sure that you 'll do a great job, so, take your time, and do not hesitate to ask to the community for some points that could slow down the development. :bigsmile:

For a Raptor-vs-Typhoon engagement, I agree completely with you. These aircrafts don't share the same objectives, neither the generation.

[fatb0y60]

undefinedundefinedundefinedF-F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 F-14 WHAT HAPPENED TO THE F-14 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 14

[fatb0y60]

F-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14f-14

[Buckshot]

That would be

Boneyard ops

[Buckshot]

Just kidding, of course the F14 would have to make an appearance in Naval Ops.

[SUBS17]

Thats great news, you know Iran is upgrading their F-14s. So thay ain't in the junk yard completely.

[Top Gunner]

Does anybody know the exact extent of the upgrade carried out in Iran after the Iran-Iraq war?

It seemed that Iranians entertained the idea of bomb-toting F-14 before US came up with Bombcat. Assuming it means anything, I've seen photos of AGM-65 placed alongside an F-14 for static display as well.

It was also stated that R-73 was integrated onto F-14 as well. What about the HMS associated with it?

Which F-14 would be included in Naval Ops? F-14A? B? D? Or all of them (I'm under the impression that in parallel to F-14D, F-14A and F-14B also underwent updates of their own) ?

[jhook]

When we get to the point of "Naval Ops", one must consider that the older model Tomcat would/could be phased out. The venerable Tomcat is now upgraded to use a variety of AGM's and paveway type ordinance. Naval ops is 2+ years away (maby sooner) and the Tomcat will be there, under some capacity I'm sure. :thumb:

[Top Gunner]

The venerable Tomcat is now upgraded to use a variety of AGM's and paveway type ordinance.
Exactly what AGM has F-14 been cleared for and seen carrying?

(I know Paveway and, IIRC, JDAM have been integrated.)

[jhook]

Hey Top Gunner,
I have personnally seen the "D" version of the AGM used on the Tomcat. I would assume that the fiber optics have been upgraded in the Tomcat as well, which is most of the AGM family. I hope this helps. :thumb:

[Top Gunner]

Hey Top Gunner,
I have personnally seen the "D" version of the AGM used on the Tomcat.
D of...... (what? AGM-65D? AGM-84D? Actually AGM-65D is an AF weapon......but then again it's always possible that they borrowed AF weapons for the purpose of testing) ?

[jhook]

Sorry Top Gunner,
I was refuring to the AGM 65D. I hope that helped.

P.S. Oh, by the way, the AGM 65 family is not exclusive to the Airforce. The Army/Marries, as well as the Navy uses this little beauty.

[Top Gunner]

P.S. Oh, by the way, the AGM 65 family is not exclusive to the Airforce. The Army/Marries, as well as the Navy uses this little beauty.
I know- just different service use different version- USAF uses AGM-65D (IR) and AGM-65G (IIR) , USN uses AGM-65F (IIR) , and USMC uses AGM-65E (semi-actve laser).

[SUBS17]

From what I know the Iranians reverse engineered the Phoenix and now use their own version. I don't know of any other weapons that it carries but if you go to:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=94610606&m=255002407

I'm sure you'll find an answer.
cheers
Subs

[Wipsnake]

The hornet is certainly high on everyone's list, but won't be in the initial release unfortunately, I can almost guarantee though that it will be one of the first additional aircraft added.

it's only because every viper pilot is scared for the hornets awesome ability to kick some ass!!!! :wink2:

[FlyBoy01]

Wipsnake,
You wouldnot be trying to start a little word war with comments like that would you? The Viper pilots in this group are not going to sit by for long....

[Ghostrida]

TORNADO Gr MK4 / IDS

F-18 Super Hornet

F-16

F-15E

F-14D "Bombcat"

Eternal

[jymp]

F/A-22 Raptor, F/A-35 JSF, F-117 Nighthawk, B-2A Spirit, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, F-14D Tomcat. See, I don't ask for much. LOL

[BillBockey]

Hi all,

I'd like to see :

- Rafale
- Mirage 2000
- F15 C/E
- F16 C/D
- F18 C/D/E/F
- Su 27 and his family
- Mig 29
- and all the others that you want too ;-)))

[Warchild_82]

Would have to be the in order:

F/A-18C
F-5
A-6 Intruder
F-117 Nighthawk
Jaguar
Eurofighter
Rafale

and the list goes on and on, but they would be my top picks.

[PiF]

I want to see:

A-10
A-4
A-50
A-7 US and HAF
A-8 USN and aeronavale (France)
Alphajet
An-12
An-24
An-78
An-124
B-52/D/G/H
B-1A/B
B-2A
C-5
C-17
C-130
C-141
C-160
EF-111
E-2C
E-3
EA-6B
EF-2000
F-2
F-100
F-102
F-104
F-105
F-14A/B/D
F-15A/B/C/D/E/I
F-16A/B/C/CJ/CG/DG/C HAF/DJ/D HAF/I/KF-16BLK32/BLK52
F-18/A/B/C/D/E/F/CF-18
F-22
G-4
Il-76/78
J-5
J-6
J-7
JH-7
J-8
J-10
J-11
Jaguar
KC-10
KC-135/C-135 FR
KA-3
Kfir C2/C7
Mig-15
Mig-17
Mig-19
Mig-21/-13/bis/PF/MF/-93
Mig-23
Mig-25A/R
Mig-27
Mig-29A/S/G
Mig-31
Mig-1.44/AT
Mirage-IIIC/E
Mirage-IVP
Mirage-V BA/F
Mirage-2000B/C/D/N/5F/5mk2/-9
MV-22
Mystère IV
Ouragan 450 MD
RA-5C
Rafale B/C/M/N
RC-135
S-3
Su-7
Su-9
Su-15
Su-20/22
Su-24
Su-25
Su-27B/UB
Su-30M/MKK/MKI
Su-32
Su-33
Su-34
Su-35
Su-37
Su-39
Su-47
Tornado GR1/GR4/ECR/IDS
Tr-1
Tr-2
Tu-16
Tu-22
U-2
Tu-95
Tu-160
and more...

[Buckshot]

WOW sure you didn't miss one?

[PiF]

I've miss:
A-6
AMX
Mirage F1
JA-37
JAS-39
Super Entendard
Yak-38
Yak-141
Hawk
Buccaneer
J-12

[jhook]

I've miss:
A-6
AMX
Mirage F1
JA-37
JAS-39
Super Entendard
Yak-38
Yak-141
Hawk
Buccaneer
J-12

You missed another one...
F-35
:doh:

[PiF]

yes that's right, we can add the T-38 and T-37.

[Warchild_82]

Takin the P*SS!!!!!! Lol! :clap:

[a.m.i]

and you missed the
IAI Lavi
& some old warbirds like the Mustang or the Spitfire
of course...

[SUBS17]

Nice list Twix, I'm surprised you didn't get Janes all the worlds aircraft and cut and paste the aircraft index:thumb:

[PiF]

Thanks guys :bigsmile: , I can make a list of ground vehicules too, If you want.

[Redstormer]

Thanks guys :bigsmile: , I can make a list of ground vehicules too, If you want.

If you make such a list, it 'll go on and on and on and on. There are so many ground vehicle. It list would be endless.

[Luis Javier]

X-Wing. This way i can get out of this planet.

:bounce:

[PiF]

Don't worry I now more ground vehicules than a/c plane and I can Class by country this vehicules if you want :wink2: .

[Red Gold and Green]

Id like to see ;
Tornado F3
F5
Harrier
F101
Jstars
Saab Grippen
Mig-21

and nothing french. :bigsmile:
Thankyou very much.

[PiF]

What you said ?

Warning, this is the best tank of the world:

http://www.fauriel.org/sciences/images/leclerc.jpeg

I'm laughing of course :bigsmile: .

[jctrnacty]

Well do you know this joke:

what are 100 000 of men with hands up?

(French army)

:bigsmile:

[Redstormer]

Well do you know this joke:

what are 100 000 of men with hands up?

(French army)

:bigsmile:

Hahahaha, that's a good one! :bigsmile:

Every important country in the world has at least one or two self developped armoured vehicle produced. The list of armoured vehicles is like I already said to long to mention. And is the French MBT the best tank in the world? I don't know. The Leopard II 2A6 is besides the sovjets MBT the most exported MBT. The M-1 Abrams and the Leopard are may be compartible with each other. I have never see the French MBT in action. Can You convince me otherwise?

[PiF]

The Leclerc MBT can shoot in move in a target who is moving at 3km range, it represent a man shoot with a rifle in a over man who is running too at distance of 30m.
Is mobility is a great trump in battlefield.
His telemetric laser system give to it a great fire precision.
His V8 Hyperbar motor give a very good acceleration in all terrains, his brake system permit to slow down quickly.
Cartridge are automaticly loaded in gun.

In conclusion the Leclerc MBT, with is great mobility and good quality equipments give a great superiority in the modern battlefield.

Video: Leclerc (http://www.giat-industries.fr/video/prod_leclerc.rm)

[SUBS17]

M1 has the best survivability, they are very hard to destroy as proven in the gulf war.

[PiF]

Iraquis T-62 haven't electronic firing equipment and good stabilisation systems, T-62 shells are not good to penetrate moderns armors.

[DEChengst]

Is that Leclerc tank of the same quality as the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier ?

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2003127.asp

[PiF]

The Leclerc MBT never had problems, it proved his capacities during training in Ukraine and during operations in Balkans theater.
For the Charles de Gaulle, bad construction due to defense credits restrictions. :sad:

[SUBS17]

Iraquis T-62 haven't electronic firing equipment and good stabilisation systems, T-62 shells are not good to penetrate moderns armors.
Appearantly neither are 4 M1s vs 1 M1, still couldn't finish the job.

[Bigfoot209th]

F/A-18 with carrier ops
F-16c blk. 40
Harrier with carrier ops

[f-18hornet]

Yes F/A-18 and F-22, Jas 39 Gripen, F-4, F-5, F-8, F-14, Su-27, Su-37,
Mig-29, Mig-31, Tornado F mk.3, AV-8B,... :smile: Really will be enough only
F/A-18C Hornet and AV-8B Harrier II.

[Slot]

F/A -18 Hornet baby! and then anything else! :bounce:





There ain't no slack in fighter attack!
Slot

[Afterburner]

These are some Cool must haves........ :thumb:

1) F-5 Tiger II
2) A-4 Skyhawk
3) F-18E Hornet
4) F-16C Block 60
5) F-14D Tomcat
6) F-22 Raptor
7) Jas-39 Gripen
8) Eurofighter Typhoon

[CrizeCaldron]

I think i´m a little late with my wish list! lol :bigsmile:
I´m rather new to Fighter Ops, even if i have been a member and a contributor for a couple of months.

I haven´t looked so much in the forums, mostly at the screenshots.
So i don´t really know wish planes are going to be available for FO, but i know about the trainers and the F-15, F-16 and A-10.

I would like to see the following in Fighter Ops:

JAS 39 Gripen C and D
Dassault Rafale, both the Armeé del Air and the Navy version
Eurofighter Typhoon
Mig-29SMT and OVT
Su-30MK and MKI
Su-35
Su-37
F-117A Nighthawk
B-1B Lancer
B-2A Spirit
F/A-18E and F Super Hornet
F-22 Raptor
Harrier
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

......and if there is going to be any "Classic Fighters" addon in the future.

J35 Draken
JA and AJ37 Viggen
Dassault Mirage 2000
Tornado
Jaguar
Mig-21
Starfighter
A-4
B-52 altough it´s not a fighter :doh:

:bounce:

Best Regards

Thorbjörn

[CrizeCaldron]

Ohhhh....are there any ideas for future helicopter addons?
Then i could make a 2 mile long list with choppers! LOL

Thorbjörn

[Nighthawk]

F/A-18
Sea Harrier II
F-117
F-14
Intruder

[SUBS17]

Ohhhh....are there any ideas for future helicopter addons?
Then i could make a 2 mile long list with choppers! LOL

Thorbjörn

Its been mentioned run a search on helo ops:thumb: .

[Vampyre]

I guess I'll update my list now as my tastes have changed a bit.

F-14D Super Tomcat
B-1B Lancer
AV-8B+ Harrier
MiG-27K Flogger J2
MiG-23 MLD Flogger

[CrizeCaldron]

Its been mentioned run a search on helo ops:thumb: .

Just did, well i´ll just keep on hoping that it will come up in the future then! :thumb:

Thorbjörn

[Shibby]

This thread is becoming very long :thumb: so I post an other reply, actually it doesn't really matter which A/C will be flyable as long as they all have the same high level of realisme, but that I think can be a big problem for some A/C.

But anyway keep up the good work on this project, I can't wait until the release.

[VapoR]

How did I ever miss this thread????!!?!?!

:doh:

My #1 choice:

Sepecat Jaguar

Nothing else will be accepted!! :wink2:

[all-fired-up]

Gotta have the KC's in there, without them all fighters go in the drink without tanker backup. :thumb:

In fact KC-135/KC-10 operations go hand-in-hand with fighter ops.

I would like to see a KC-135R models with the new PACER CRAG cockpit update.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kc135/images/kc1358.jpg

and possibly a version that has the new wingtip drogue pods that service both Navy and NATO aircraft (these are relatively new on the USAF KC-135's)

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/kc135-strat/images/597-53.jpg Boeing Photo

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/kc135-strat/images/020501-F-7203T-009.jpgBoeing Photo


http://www.livingwaters.com/avatars/DJacksonBanner-web.jpg

[Njc242]

F-111
F-16 (any block)
F-18
F-117

the last one is a long shot and same with the first but o'well

[Lance]

The Mighty F-4F Phantom II ICE

Flip

[Wheels]

there are some very nice wishlist here, just have one question.
I've seen that some people would like to see a B-2 etc in FO, but from what have seen and heard. When the US bombed Iraq, these beauties took off in the US, flew whole the way to iraq, dropped there bombs, and back to base. They must almost have flown arround the world.
And as here it will be as real as possible, are people ready to sit that long behind there computer ???

Just a bit curious after the opions of those who want to fly long range bombers :) ??? I know for my own, that I'm not capable of flying 20 hours to complete one flight :p

[SUBS17]

I'm capable of it, its called pushing auto pilot and watching TV:bigsmile: .

[Cobra]

I'm capable of it, its called pushing auto pilot and watching TV:bigsmile: .

Let's hope you don't get a problem and crash while watching TV as the penalties for your pilots death will be severe.

:evils:

[Njc242]

there are some very nice wishlist here, just have one question.
I've seen that some people would like to see a B-2 etc in FO, but from what have seen and heard. When the US bombed Iraq, these beauties took off in the US, flew whole the way to iraq, dropped there bombs, and back to base. They must almost have flown arround the world.
And as here it will be as real as possible, are people ready to sit that long behind there computer ???

Just a bit curious after the opions of those who want to fly long range bombers :) ??? I know for my own, that I'm not capable of flying 20 hours to complete one flight :p

I agree, That is why the name of the game is 'Fighter Ops' not 'Bomber Ops', but still some of those bombers would make a nice add-on.

[Playloud]

Somewhere down the line, there will be...

Time Ops

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/playloud/1139514818_7826.jpg

[Njc242]

:sign_baaaa

haha cant wait for that, hey can we fly the hoverboard?

[Bogusheadbox]

Originally Posted by Wheels
there are some very nice wishlist here, just have one question.
I've seen that some people would like to see a B-2 etc in FO, but from what have seen and heard. When the US bombed Iraq, these beauties took off in the US, flew whole the way to iraq, dropped there bombs, and back to base. They must almost have flown arround the world.
And as here it will be as real as possible, are people ready to sit that long behind there computer ???

Just a bit curious after the opions of those who want to fly long range bombers :) ??? I know for my own, that I'm not capable of flying 20 hours to complete one flight :p

Originally posted by njc242
I agree, That is why the name of the game is 'Fighter Ops' not 'Bomber Ops', but still some of those bombers would make a nice add-on.

Who is to say that fighting in Iraq is the only theatre of war available? Who is to say that you will need to fly out USA and thousands of miles to target area?

With Aircraft supposedly modelled to a very high fidelity and a moddeled world terain, you can make any scenario of any distance that you desire.

As long as the aircraft is modelled as good as we are led to beleive. Then bombers will be a very welcomed addition. Its up to you to fly as far as you want.

[Wheels]

hey Bogusheadbox

As said in my post, it's a question.
I don't know if B-2's take off from other countries or not.

I wasn't talking about making your own scenario, but more about the campaign, where you get a mission...

I also never said that I have something against a bomber addition in de future.

I hope this takes away the misunderstandings ;)

[Bogusheadbox]

Ahh sorry mate. Didn't quite mean my reply to sound like that. Definitelty wasn't having a rouse at you :thumb:

[Wheels]

np, just thought you might had misunderstood my post. ;)

[Richard_H]

First and foremost, the F16 but thats already fulfilled :lol (any block number)
Then the:
F14 Tomcat
F4 Phantom (For my vietnam era dream-addon)
A4 Skyhawk ----see above reason----
F8 Crusader ----- See Above Reason----
A6 Intruder ---- Same as above :lol ----
A3- Skywarrior ---- See above---
A7 Corsair II --- see above again---
AD1 Skyraider --- See above-----
RA5C Vigilante --- See above---
Grumman S2F Tracker "Stoof" ---see above---
AV8B/Harrier Gr.7/9 --its a harrier!!!---
T45C Goshawk -- no USN figherops without it----

then i want SCB-125 modernized Essex Carriers and Forrestal/Nimitz Class carriers for my dream vietnam addon (and modern USN fighterops)

and thats probably it! :D

[Vampyre]

Richard, your list is a bit out of order. I'll take the liberty of adjusting it a bit here.

1. F-14D Super Tomcat
2. F-14B Super Tomcat
3. F-14A Tomcat
4. B-1B Lancer
5. F-4G Phantom II
6. F-4E Phantom II
7. F-4S Phantom II
8. RF-4C Phantom II
9. F-111F Aardvark
10. Tornado IDS/GR4
11. AV-8B+ Harrier II
12. AH-64D Longbow Apache
13. MV-22 Osprey
14. Mi-24V Hind
15. MiG-29SMT
16. F-5E/F Tiger II
17. Tornado F3
18. Mirage F-1CT
19. Mirage 2000D
20. Su-27 Flanker

... OK, well this is more of my list because, as you can see, Tomcats Rule!:thumb:

Resistance is Futile! Anytime Baby!

[Wheels]

Is the F-14B also called Super Tomcat. IAlways thought that one was the Bombcat ? correct me where I'm wrong pls

[Lance]

Richard, your list is a bit out of order. I'll take the liberty of adjusting it a bit here.

1. F-14D Super Tomcat
2. F-14B Super Tomcat
3. F-14A Tomcat
4. B-1B Lancer
5. F-4G Phantom II
6. F-4E Phantom II
7. F-4S Phantom II
8. RF-4C Phantom II
9. F-111F Aardvark
10. Tornado IDS/GR4
11. AV-8B+ Harrier II
12. AH-64D Longbow Apache
13. MV-22 Osprey
14. Mi-24V Hind
15. MiG-29SMT
16. F-5E/F Tiger II
17. Tornado F3
18. Mirage F-1CT
19. Mirage 2000D
20. Su-27 Flanker

... OK, well this is more of my list because, as you can see, Tomcats Rule!:thumb:

Resistance is Futile! Anytime Baby!

ok let me get one thing straight...you want the Wild Weasel F-4G BEFORE the Echo version?????:bigeyes:
You didnt even mention the Fox...
Flip

[Richard_H]

Richard, your list is a bit out of order. I'll take the liberty of adjusting it a bit here.

1. F-14D Super Tomcat
2. F-14B Super Tomcat
3. F-14A Tomcat
4. B-1B Lancer
5. F-4G Phantom II
6. F-4E Phantom II
7. F-4S Phantom II
8. RF-4C Phantom II
9. F-111F Aardvark
10. Tornado IDS/GR4
11. AV-8B+ Harrier II
12. AH-64D Longbow Apache
13. MV-22 Osprey
14. Mi-24V Hind
15. MiG-29SMT
16. F-5E/F Tiger II
17. Tornado F3
18. Mirage F-1CT
19. Mirage 2000D
20. Su-27 Flanker

... OK, well this is more of my list because, as you can see, Tomcats Rule!:thumb:

Resistance is Futile! Anytime Baby!

You should be happy that i mentioned the tomcat first:bigsmile: :thumb:

The F16 is special to me you see.. We lived closed to an auxiliary strip when i was little, and they used to base F16 there fromt time to time. One time i also saw an F15 Eagle take off from there (probably some exercise in the north sea.. i live in bergen, norway, its on the west-coast) and usually on sundays (have they no respect for god? :lol ?) they used to test the engines, making a helluva noise (the base was like one kilometer away) . Annoying i can tell you. but coming to the "point", one time when i was about 5 years old (13 years ago) me and my dad went "hiking" to the local mountain (which is conveniently placed so that i can see both the military strip and the local Airport "Flesland".. i go there all the time.. even now :lol ) and this F16 flew over us inverted, obviously i waved to him, and he rocked his wings back. Since that day, i was in love with F16's:smile:

[Richard_H]

Is the F-14B also called Super Tomcat. IAlways thought that one was the Bombcat ? correct me where I'm wrong pls

I think the F14B is just a Tomcat with Uprated engines. and probably some more improvements as well. but you should ask Vampyre.. And yes the B model can carry bombs, but for me, its still the "Tomcat"..

Im not really sure if the Alpha model could carry bombs, it probably could if they updated its weapon system software.. but what do i know!??

Vampyre is the Tomcat Connoisseur here!:thumb:

[Wheels]

Ah k, I thought the B was the same as the A, just with the abillity to carry bombs, from there the nickname "Bombcat". And that they were first used above Iraq in the early '90.

Vampyre, where are you ?????????? :D

[SpinKick]

I believe the "D" model was the Super Tomcat, but I was wrong once before. :)

[Vampyre]

All versions of the Tomcat could carry bombs, the F-14B was just the first to be updated with the proper racks and software therefore being dubbed the Bombcat. The original F-14B (with the GE F101 derivitive fighter engines) was the first to be called "Super". The F101 DFE's were not adopted but were redesigned to become the GE F110 engines used today in the F-16, a few F-15's, and of course the Bravo and Delta Versions of the F-14. The engine change, because of the huge leap in performance, was the primary reason the name was changed to Super Tomcat.

Tomcats Rule! Anytime Baby!

[Vampyre]

ok let me get one thing straight...you want the Wild Weasel F-4G BEFORE the Echo version?????:bigeyes:
You didnt even mention the Fox...
Flip

Yes! The SEAD/DEAD mission is a favorite of mine but is rather hard to do in a Tomcat.:wink2: I picked the Echo version as they are much more common than The Fox. I could replace the Mirage 2000D and bump everyting down a notch to put it in behind the Sierra. Will that be a vanilla Fox or a KWK/ICE Fox?

Tomcats Rule! Anytime Baby!

[Top Gunner]

I've miss:
A-6
AMX
Mirage F1
JA-37
JAS-39
Super Entendard
Yak-38
Yak-141
Hawk
Buccaneer
J-12
J-12? Do you mean the cancelled PLAAF super-light fighter project?



Seeing that many people have come up with updates to their list, here's mine:

1. F-CK-1A/C/D Ching-Kuo (the first F-CK-1C prototype took off late last year...... sweet)

2. F-16/79 Fighting Falcon

3. F-20A Tigershark

4. Mirage 50EV (you know, with canards and all that) and Mirage IIIS

5. Mirage IV

6. F-14D Super Tomcat

7. F-15E Strike Eagle

8. Mirage-4000

9. JA-37D and AJS-37 Viggens

10. J-35J, and F 35 Drakens

11. Cheetah C

12. Kfir C.10

13. IAI Finger

15. F-106 Delta Dart

16. F-102 Delta Dagger

17. BAe EAP

18. CF-105 Arrow

19. Avro Vulcan B.2

20. YF-12A Blackbird

21. XB-70 Valkyrie

Also, not being an aircraft but essential to F-102 and F-106: XAIM-4H Falcon AAM- this one promised to be as lethal as comtemporary AIM-9, not to mention the inability of F-102 and F-106 to use AIM-9.

(Note all entries after and including No. 8 are delta-winged tailess: I do intend to include the best from ALL families of tailess delta-winged aircraft...... what have I missed? I would also put F-108 Rapier and Shengyang J-9 Project in the last place and X-31, and the forward-swept-winged X-29 before them, but neither F-108 nor J-9 ever got off the drawing board, and neither X-29 nor X-31 ever carried weapons...... of course unless modelling armed versions of those two would be no problem......)

[Lance]

F-4F Kampfwertgesteigert ;) AMRAAM!!! No Echo could do that!


Flip

[Richard_H]

a singleseater F4 Phantom?
that sounds hilarious!

[Lance]

a singleseater F4 Phantom?
that sounds hilarious!

it was planned but never really like...done...:red:

Flip

[Top Gunner]

it was planned but never really like...done...:red:

Flip
As crazy as it might sound, I can see the point of a single-seater F-4 if Sparrow capability is gone.

But nah, a F-4 without Sparrows is crazy enough, and that's the bottomline for me.

[Lance]

As crazy as it might sound, I can see the point of a single-seater F-4 if Sparrow capability is gone.

But nah, a F-4 without Sparrows is crazy enough, and that's the bottomline for me.

It was the poor man's Phantom, right after we got em , we upgraded em (1978) to enable SParrows and a2g munitions and later we upgraded again (white nose, APG-65, maverick capability (though a2g mission for the f-4 in the GAF was taken out), amraams)

Flip

[Top Gunner]

It was the poor man's Phantom, right after we got em , we upgraded em (1978) to enable SParrows and a2g munitions and later we upgraded again (white nose, APG-65, maverick capability (though a2g mission for the f-4 in the GAF was taken out), amraams)

Flip
I thought Luftwaffe never had Sparrows (although I guess they can borrow USAF stocks on an "as required" basis).

[Lance]

I thought Luftwaffe never had Sparrows (although I guess they can borrow USAF stocks on an "as required" basis).

umm...not borrowing...to remind you during the first gulf war the german airforce sent packs and packs of AIM-9 Limas to the Gulf for the allied forces to shoot :thumb: they werent borrowed.

Flip

[Richard_H]

the Kongsberg weapons factory in norway also makes AIM9's on liscence from Raytheon i think. at least all the AIM9's on Norwegian F16 are made in norway..

if you watched 60 minutes, you'll get to know that norway produced the fearsome "Raufoss" ammuniton (Raufoss is a town in norway). its the .50 Cal armor-piercing-incendiary round that makes the Barret M82A1 so devastatingly lethal.

[159th_Lonewolf]

I would like to see:

Tornado (GR and F3 varients)
Harrier GR-7
Jaguar
Vulcan
Hawk
Buccaneer
Eurofighter

And anything else thats in the RAF lol :P

[Bossi]

F-14A/D Tomcat
Su-32 FN/Su-34
F-111 Aardvark
Harrier
Mirage 2000

[Rhino4]

Tornado (Gotta love those swing wings)
Viper (Sentimental Value)
Strike Eagle (Having a RL backseater with you in online multi would rock!)
Harrier (I have VTOL tendencies)
Warthog (Because all tanks must die)
F-117 (Who wouldn't want to recreate the gulf war flights over bahgdad? Tracers flying through the sky in all directions, strobes everywhere, sweat on your palms, twitch in your cheek, weapons away!)
Tomcat (DUH)
SU-27/30/33 (For some added spice)

[Lance]

Tornado (Gotta love those swing wings)
Viper (Sentimental Value)
Strike Eagle (Having a RL backseater with you in online multi would rock!)
Harrier (I have VTOL tendencies)
Warthog (Because all tanks must die)
F-117 (Who wouldn't want to recreate the gulf war flights over bahgdad? Tracers flying through the sky in all directions, strobes everywhere, sweat on your palms, twitch in your cheek, weapons away!)
Tomcat (DUH)
SU-27/30/33 (For some added spice)



hahah..you mention the tornado and only when it comes to the "beagle" that you mention that you want a real life WSO. The PA 200 is a 2 seater as well. Tornado is absolutely not my type....enough of the rant. Nice list though.

Flip

[Logan9773]

Su-34

Mig-29

The Death Star.

[Rhino4]

The Death Star.

The new one or the old one?:thumb:

*Hides under a couch and waits for the Star Wars quotes to come...*

To Flip: Thanks for the compliment. The strike eagle may also be a two seater, but the tomcat is also a swing wing ac (and a two seater, lol). The backseater aspect of the tornado isn't really what made the ac stand out for me, and so wasn't mentioned. The strike eagle's backseater does get mentioned specifically because he's a new addition to what used to be strictly a one pilot a2a platform. Besides, I can't see us flying the tornado in FO antime soon (if ever), so talking about a non-planned for non-existent backseater in multi would be going a bit overboard.

[_Big_Mac_]

The new one was never finished so there would be a lot of guesswork to model its capabilities and systems. I say the old one will do just fine, should be unclassified by now...