IAF is planning to......

[Redstormer]

About a week ago, I was reading an article in Janes that there are rumors that the IAF is planning to attack an Iranian nuclear factory in the coming months (I believe it was in Oktober/November 2004).

Has anyone read the same article? Could You be so kind to send it to me! Because I have accidentally thrown this article in the (computer) bin!

[Pacman]

Could somebody send me this too??

Email pls.

Good and interresting stuff for the scenario's.

Thx,

[SUBS17]

Let me guess, unmarked F-16s, 1 bomb. Probably just like last time. I would not be surprised if they did but I doubt they'd let the Iranians know in advance.

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[Redstormer]

The article was written with the assumption that because the high tension in the Gulf Region the US Forces were not able to attack (it should disrupt the US diplomacy in that regio) nuclear factory and so the IAF should attack the factory. This because Iran is violating the rules of the IAEA and is producing an nuclear device.

Politics, politics........... :sad:

[Redstormer]

Let me guess, unmarked F-16s, 1 bomb. Probably just like last time. I would not be surprised if they did but I doubt they'd let the Iranians know in advance.

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Subs

Yeh, that is the Israeli way of doing things! Just like in the 80's. They attacked a nuclear factory, I believe it was in Iraq or Iran, I am not sure which country. The whole world protested against that attack. But in reality there were many governments which were silently grateful! :clap:

[Redstormer]

Its is just a piece of the article! It is an article out of the magazine Jane's intelligence!

Israel's plans for Iran strikes

Amid growing concern over Iran's alleged duplicity in declaring all its nuclear activities to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Israel - the country that regards itself as most at risk from a nuclear-capable Iran - may be poised to revive contingency plans to destroy Iran's nuclear installations.

It is hardly surprising that Israel's national security establishment has concluded that Israel would be at risk from a nuclear-capable Iran. However, if a pre-emptive attack is to be launched Israel may have to go it alone. Any joint US-Israeli precision-guided missile strike against Iran's nuclear facilities - Bushehr, Natanz or Arak - is unlikely to prove an attractive option for the US administration while it remains mired in Iraq - which shares a 1,458km-long border with Iran.

If the USA was to participate in such an operation, Washington's allies would undoubtedly denounce what would be seen as yet another example of dangerous US unilateralism. However, the real concern is that a chain reaction of unintended consequences would further destabilise the world's most volatile region. The USA's involvement in a pre-emptive strike against Iran would also undermine the Bush administration's last vestiges of credibility as an 'honest broker' in negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. An Israeli strike could effectively end hopes of reaching any kind of peace deal. The US administration also faces the dilemma of insisting that Iran has no right to develop nuclear weapons while Israel is believed to have several hundred in its arsenal.

The controversial role of intelligence is likely to prove significant. The US Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) would have to produce incontrovertible evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons which, given the recent damning report by the US Senate on the CIA's collection and analysis of intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD), is unlikely. This crisis of credibility would make a US decision to launch a pre-emptive strike difficult, if not impossible, to sell to US legislators or to the wider world.

[FlyBoy01]

Janes Intelligence review for July 2004 has the article and I agree with you that it raises several concerns. I wonder if the CIA would even intimate that they have confirmation of Iran nuclear weapons since the Israelis would have almost no choice but to act.

[Redstormer]

Maybe is this article, at CNN.com a very interesting article in relation with the subject we have spoken about in this forum.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/28/fbi.spy/

[Stuntie]

I've got a nice little book on the Osirak reactor raid - Bullseye Iraq.
There was also an article on it in one of last moths plane mags.

So the IAF is working on a sequel. Well it works for Hollywood.
(No doubt with Van Diesel flying the lead plane...:tongue: )

[Redstormer]

I've got a nice little book on the Osirak reactor raid - Bullseye Iraq.
There was also an article on it in one of last moths plane mags.

So the IAF is working on a sequel. Well it works for Hollywood.
(No doubt with Van Diesel flying the lead plane...:tongue: )

I believe I have an article in a magazine about that pre emptive strike. I will look for that article and I will put it on this forum.

[Katz]

I've got a nice little book on the Osirak reactor raid - Bullseye Iraq.
There was also an article on it in one of last moths plane mags.

So the IAF is working on a sequel. Well it works for Hollywood.
(No doubt with Van Diesel flying the lead plane...:tongue: )
its Vin Diesel and hes gorgeous :heart: :heart:

[Eihort]

Mosad scares the crap out of me and such a leak by them must have been intentional. If they do decide to go ahead with the strike, they'd most likey have to fly over Iraq to do it. Of course wouldn't surprise me if we (USA) just turn a blind eye to that fact and let them enter Iraqi airspace.

[Katz]

well im afraid if they did do a strike i would be cheering them on

[SUBS17]

Actually I've heard that Iran helped Israel take out the Iraqi reactor. So I doubt Israel would attack Iran because it has a reactor.

[Redstormer]

Actually I've heard that Iran helped Israel take out the Iraqi reactor. So I doubt Israel would attack Iran because it has a reactor.

I think that is not true. Israel will attack. It is possibly the only way to guarantee the safety of the state Israel. Remember, Israel thinks in terms of survival of the state. Every policy is built around that doctrine. It will not allow that another state in that region is capable of building a nuclear device.

[Buckshot]

First I've ever heard of Iran helping Israel, do you have any references to that? I find it highly unlikely.

[SUBS17]

Well actually Israel and Iran sort of worked together to destroy that reactor. The first airstrike was carried out by Irans F4s during the Iran/Iraq war, under the guidance of the Israelis. This only damaged the facility, the second airstrike took less than 2 minutes and was carried out by the Israelis with F-15s and F-16s although I believe only one bomb was used. (2 minutes one pass over the target) They hit it before the reactor was due to go hot in order to prevent radioactive fallout. If you want to read more about it go here:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htm

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Subs

[Buckshot]

Hmm, I see a mention there that the Israelis tried to urge the Iranians to destroy the reactor, and that one attempt was made by Iran, but I really don't think Iran actually had any part in the actual attack by Israel, in fact I would highly doubt that Israel would even let Iran know anything concerning their plans to attack the facility.

[Redstormer]

Do not forget how to place this attack in history. In the 80's Iran had an interest to cripple the defence of Iraq as a whole ( because of the war between Iran vs Iraq) May be they have given some intel to the IAF but I don't believe another theory. But I will look this up. I have somewhere in my own libary some information about this attack.

I should have looked it up before, but I had't time for a couple off days. Maybe this weekend!

[SUBS17]

Do not forget how to place this attack in history. In the 80's Iran had an interest to cripple the defence of Iraq as a whole ( because of the war between Iran vs Iraq) May be they have given some intel to the IAF but I don't believe another theory. But I will look this up. I have somewhere in my own libary some information about this attack.

I should have looked it up before, but I had't time for a couple off days. Maybe this weekend!
I suspect that their Spy agencies worked together at the time, someone mentioned this on one of the other forums thats why I brought it up. The main reason that Israel attacked that reactor was not only because of the coming elections in Israel but also because Saddam was a direct threat to Israel at the time. He intended to destroy Israel. Has Iran recently made any such threats to anyone? Just a thought.
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[Redstormer]

Has Iran recently made any such threats to anyone? Just a thought.
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Iran has according to my knowledge never made a threat to their neighbouring countries to use an nuclear bomb. But when the state of Iran acquire a nuclear bomb the whole region will become political and military insecure.

But Israel has always seen Iran as a greater threat to Israel than Iraq. The foreign policy of Iran was different than the foreign policy of Iraq. Don't forget that Iran always supported the organisations of Hamas, Hezballah and that kind of organisations. These organisitions are responsible for terrorist attacks against the state of Israel.

[SUBS17]

Very true, I think its more likely that they would go for a peaceful solution. If that reactor is hot then destroying it would cause alot of problems. If it was attacked there would need to be a pretty decent strike package as that thing is well protected(2xS300's). Heres a couple of links for your info on Irans Air Forces air kills. Thanks to "Go Right" on the LockOn Forums.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml
And here is Iraqs Air to Air Kills

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_211.shtml

Theres some pretty impresive kills there, in one engagement one F-14 took out 6 Iraqi fighters.
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