Will FO be tested by real F16, F15, and A10 Fighter Pilots ?

[Bladehawk]

I hope so.

I trully expect that each of the announced Airframe will be tested by real Pilots until they say:
"Yep ! is perfect! it only lacks the real "G" force..."
:mrgreen: :thumbsup:
Any news about that ?

[spyro23]

I hope, and I'm almost sure that airframes (and whole rest) will be tested by the real pilots :D
In this times is a must to convince everyone that sim is top realistic!

[Vlerkies]

I'm sure that's how it will be done bud

:drink: :drink:



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~S~

[Charlie_VFP]

No offense to the pilots that read this, but that is not all its cracked up to be.

Pilots know how to utilize the avionics, not how they work, why they work, and the particulars of how they work.

I've spent more time breifing the AMO (Aircraft Maintenance Officer), XO, and CO on how the system works and why it works when we had issues with systems that were very hard to figure out.

So, don't place so much faith in the abilities of a pilot to tell you all the information regarding things. They can tell you if it operates correctly from a pilot perspective.

But also remember the maintenence guys who know why and how it works and their opinions on the avionics is just as important.

Yes, I am biased as I was a maintainer, but it is still the truth.

Also note that pilots can have any degree, from agriculture (I knew a guy who flew the F/A-18C that had a 2 year farming degree) to the engineering degrees. So, not all of them know how electronics work. They just know how to operate it.

Maintainers are also good to have around for modeling battle damamge to an aircraft. Look at Lock On in this regard.... horrid. Turn off the engines and the hud is still on! No NC-10 cart in sight. :)

As a final note: I do not think you guys have anything to worry about. If I read my last email correctly, there are a few maintainers on the beta team.... :mrgreen:

[jhook]

Terry,
I don't think the pilots are checking the avionics for the game. I think they will be hard pressed to feel the aircraft as they fly it. The FM is what they will look into and how it reacts to the stick. A simple "snap roll" is hard for a sim to create. A split "s" or my personal "Fav" is Low/High "g" yo yo's, where the aircraft pulls from a dive or climb, and you "snap the stick" to flip the aircraft 180* and pull a hard 8g turn. No sim I know of can do this properly. Pilots will be able to tell if this kind of FM is correct! :thumbsup:

[spyro23]

Good point Terry!
A also will be maintenance officer next few months (I hope in Poznan-Krzesiny, first F-16C/D blk. 52+ squadron in Poland :military: ) but already I have got few occasion to see how airbase works (NAM2003 in Poznań).
It is evident to me that ground personnel know more about aircraft system and in majority cases pilots know only how to operate those systems. If someone want be malignant can say "pilot=driver with good health" but there is false! They must know many other things for example: brevity code, tactic, ect. which average maintenance personnel don't know. I don't know those issues too, so I will be glad if some pilot will check it for me. Other issues I can check myself like flight dynamics, cocpit instruments ect.(in majority cases). I think that also ground personnel will be involved in this project (very important) but unfortunately they are not so famous like pilots with combat experience so no one want mention about those "silent heros".
Sad but I believe true.

[Buckshot]

We have access to pilots and maintainers of all three jets plus more, so they will definately all be thoroughly tested.

[spyro23]

Good to know. Thanks Buckshot!

[Charlie_VFP]

Spyro:

You are right on the money.

My post was not to down pilots, but to pump up the maintaners. As you said, they are the forgotten ones.

It is like math and physics. They work together. If they dont, then neither makes any sense. :)

[spyro23]

One question which planes/jers you've been (or you currently) maintain?
I really like to know! :military:

[Charlie_VFP]

I spent 5 years on the F/A-18 A/C models in the US Marine Corps. I have also spent some time working on the B/D models as well. While I was never assigned to them, I did help out now and again with an USN F/A-18 E/F squadron that used the same hanger as us for a few months. Very limited, but exposed all the same.

Take a peek at my sig. That picture is of two of my babies flying over Spain after operating over Afghanistan in OEF.

I stopped doing all of that a few years ago when I went back to college, of which I am still doing. :)

[Bladehawk]

Terry,
I don't think the pilots are checking the avionics for the game. I think they will be hard pressed to feel the aircraft as they fly it. The FM is what they will look into and how it reacts to the stick. A simple "snap roll" is hard for a sim to create. A split "s" or my personal "Fav" is Low/High "g" yo yo's, where the aircraft pulls from a dive or climb, and you "snap the stick" to flip the aircraft 180* and pull a hard 8g turn. No sim I know of can do this properly. Pilots will be able to tell if this kind of FM is correct! :thumbsup:

jhook ... Thanks for understanding my question its exactly this ! :thumbsup: