ATC

[a.m.i]

Hello....
I saw in one of the threads here on the forum that your not going to include human atc in FO...

In my opinion and human ATC like the one in vatsim with Flight simulator is one of the major things in flight simulators which really gives you the feel that this is not a game but a simulator that is the closest it can be to reality...

and by the way another feature that can be cool is addable scenaries and planes like in FS...

[jhook]

I think you might have mis-understood the thread. :? I think, as with most of the information shared here, is that all suggestions hold value, but the most significant information may take presidence. Being how this flight sim will be completely configurable (at least mostly configurable), don't count out your suggestions, everything is considered! :thumbsup: Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forums! :drink:

[Buckshot]

Hi A.M.I.

I'm not sure where you got that idea, certainly has been no official statement either way on human ATO. This and many other things won't be known until we get much further down the track. The sim is still in a very early state, so bear with us and more information will be forthcoming.

[Vlerkies]

Just wanted to say welcome to the forums A.M.I
Have a good time here, and the guys are right, any suggestions and ideas are welcome. So keep giving them :thumbsup:


:military:


~S~

[a.m.i]

thanks for the welcome...
I said it becouse one of the members disaggree with this need... i think in tbh's post...

i have more ideas to come...
so expect to hear more from me...

[Charlie_VFP]

Hello again,

Just wanted to weigh in on this issue.

If you mean ATC as in Tower ATC, I think that is a waste of time. Who is going to want to sit in tower view all day guiding planes around? Very few people.

However... if you are talking about AWACS ATC... OH BOY! NOW YOURE TALKING!

I would love to play the role of AWACS. Have the different scopes on your screen and be able to issue commands to AI aircraft by a touch of the button and issue commands to human players via chat box and external communications (teamspeak, RW, ect).

Human controlled AWACS would be most wicked.

[a.m.i]

"If you mean ATC as in Tower ATC, I think that is a waste of time. Who is going to want to sit in tower view all day guiding planes around? Very few people."

this is what allot people do in flight simulator during flight in vatsim...
and it makes flying real as reality....

but awacs atc could be really neat... specially if it includes flying the plane with detailed cockpit...

[IxianMace]

You never know, there might actually be people out there that might find the experience interesting/worthwhile for them. There are certaintly people out there in real life that do it for a living, otherwise we would have no ATCs around. :lol:

I wouldn't mind guiding aircraft around for a while (so long as I wasn't overwhelmed with culture shock). If someone decided to be a 'Maverick' and 'buzz my tower', I'd put him/her in orbit for awhile and at the back of the queue to land. :thumbsup:

[spyro23]

Hey all!
The idea with human AWACS ATO is brilliant!! :thumbsup:
But (this is my the most favotite word in this forum :mrgreen: )I consider : Maby we want to much?? We propably don't want combat flight sim (no MS CFS :mrgreen: ) we want total air war sim!!
So I say: Let's do this fly boys!!! Let's talk about air war sim, how we imagine this kind of so complicated and sophisticated product!!
I imagine this that:
-You can play as a commander-you set missions targets and objectives for all air units. take care of logistic, morale, tasks, ect.
-You can play as AWACS ATO and coordinate air warfare (maby also in JSTARS ??), reign air situation, try make air plan best you can
-Of course you can play as pilot, take everything in your hand!! (any kind of mission which you can imagine
-You can play as SAM or AAA commander (never implemented in game/sim before I think), defend air bases, citys, ground units ect.(I think this is good idea-more new costumers)
-You can play as an UAV operator, search ground targets, lase and look how pilots destroy it, ...
In one sentence I imagine this issue like Op. Flashpiont in the air + more, more realism
P.S. Welcome to the forum A.M.I, any new ideas are welcome :military:

[a.m.i]

there is more...

i want in this perfect game the ability to add planes ans scenaries (like FS)
so people with firstclass computers could enjoy high detailed scenary...

dedicated server.... and worldwide theatre...

a small fix in flight model could be great also....
everything that makes the game more realistic is welcome...
or you can just give me the real thing... :D

[Charlie_VFP]

Yes, I have seen vatsim and think it is a very awesome setup.... for a non-combat, civillian aviation sim.

When you have the choice between sitting in a tower or flying a fighter aircraft (this is Fighter Ops, not ATC Ops) which would you chose?

I think I would sit in the tower once.

Then you have to look at reality. If you are an AWACS operator, EVERYONE will listen to you as you can vector them to bad guys and targets. But if youre the tower, 75% of the people out there (open server, not private squad servers) are going to disregard and do their own thing.

Heck, even most of the people in Lock On disregard the mission and do their own thing. (Regardless of what you all think of Lock On, the same exact user base will be buying into FO as well).

Just doesnt seem worth it due to the limited amount of people who will actually like it and use it.

I could be wrong. Has been known to happen. :)

[Vlerkies]

You never know, there might actually be people out there that might find the experience interesting/worthwhile for them. There are certaintly people out there in real life that do it for a living, otherwise we would have no ATCs around. :lol:


And then us pilots would be lost :mrgreen:


:military:


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[Ami_XSI]

I´ve noticed that our nicks are similar. Nothing against it really.
What does the a.m.i stand for if I may ask?

ROFL, cool, the AMI´s are coming :thumbsup: :D

[a.m.i]

a.m.i is shortcut of amiad...
which also have an explanation but it is another story

it can also stand for
Air Master In-flight
...


terry i think you are wrong...
even aerosoft xompany hs gone out with a full featured atc game
so there are people who interested in this feature...

[Charlie_VFP]

I did not say people would not be intereted in an ATC only game.

I said that this feature perobably not see much use in a FIGHTER sim. There would simply be too many other things for them to do. Furthermore, buy and play that game. :)

Not being a prick about it, just saying my opinion is that tower ATC plays hardly 0 in a fighter aircraft sim. Jets take off and go on their mission. Jets come back and land. The time the Tower ATC would actually be doing anything is maybe 3% of the entire mission time. You give them taxi and take off clearance, and then have them enter the pattern and land. Thats it.

An AWACS ATC would handle the aircraft from 3 minutes after take off all the way till 3 minutes before landing.

Seems much more intelligent to add AWACS ATC if any ATC is to be added at all. Tower ATC is a waste of time, strictly in my opinion, FOR THIS SIM!

Think I am wrong all you would like. They are my opinions and obviously not yours. We are a diverse crowd. I stand by my logic.

PS: I am sure that the ATC Simulator is a cool program. But it receives hardly any publicity and is not carried in any of the stores in town. Meaning, there is a small nitch crowd that probably uses the heck out of it, but nut much else.

For those interested, the site for it is http://www.atcsimulator.com/ check it out, it does look cool.

[Vlerkies]

Shot for the link bud. It does look interesting :thumbsup:


:military:


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[Sehm]

Indeed. But I must say, I like military aviation much better :military:

[Vlerkies]

Most definately 100% positively agree Sehm. :thumbsup: :drink: :drink:


:military:


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[Charlie_VFP]

I'll give an Amen to that. :)

[a.m.i]

terry i think you are wrong in estimating the importance of ground ATC... not just tower one...

in Israel army there are full and long courses to become Air Traffic Controller... and even during the flight there is contact between ground datc which sometimes replaces awacs... it gives all info for the flight and during it... it could be very neat to have it in the game...

In the israeli community there are people who wait for this feature...

[Charlie_VFP]

Opinions are varied and cant really be classified as wrong or right.

What you describe does not happen in SOP here. Tower ATC is airfield ATC. They worry about the airfield and the air space around it. They do not have anything to do dealing with combat operations. The only exception would be when there is no AWACS available and enemy aircraft are operating in close proximity. But even then, most of our ATC's are not trained to handle much of this.

The difference is the amount of space.

I think it is a waste of time. My opinion. We will not agree, so useless to debate it further.