URGENT !!! SEE THIS !! Graphics to FO !

[Bladehawk]

This are the graphics that I Want to FO !!!

Remember only the graphics !!!



http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fiches/J000024221_screenshots.html?nopub=1&temp=532603200 424124047

[IxianMace]

Looks nice. If the graphics were of that quality (or better), I'd probably have to shelve FO until I could get a new rig though.

[Ghost Dog]

wooooooooooo.... now that's what i'm talkin about!!! beautiful!! I truley hope FO looks at least this good.

[Vlerkies]

That is really great graphics
:thumbsup:


:military:

~S~

[Recio]

Really nice pics. Specially the landscape and lighting effects.
Good stuff :thumbsup:

[jhook]

Bladehawk, that's spectacular with a capital "S"!!! :shock: If G2i/Gen Av use the advanced graphics instructions, this is quite possible, and can be implimented without a large hit in FPS, as long as the data platform can swing the data files fast enough thought the video card! :thumbsup: As for older machines, there should be no problem running the game! :) You simply woun't be able to see the graphic eye sugar until you undate your video card. I also think you will need a lot of RAM to swap the graphic files to the video card (say, about 512 or better, 1 gig optimum), considering that each frame will be running at 1 to 3 megs, and at 40 to 60 FPS, that's about 180 megs a second! :shock: But if we are going to produce a "high Fidelity" flight sim, that's the way to go! :thumbsup: Consider that Falcon 4 SP4 runs at 256x256, which equals about 512k per frame (it used to be 56x56) which comes out to about 20 megs a second. I follow the progress of technology closely. 180 megs a second is nothing in the over all picture. Video cards can now produce 32 bit color graphics, with advanced graphic instructions, out to 250 megs a second (Nvidia FX 5950 Ultra)! But that card is $500.00 U.S. Even my card (FX 5600) will have problems kicking out 180 megs a second. :( So, I think that is where we need to get, even at the expense of are hard earned Jack! :mrgreen:

[BlackAce]

Bladehawk, that's spectacular with a capital "S"!!! :shock: If G2i/Gen Av use the advanced graphics instructions, this is quite possible, and can be implimented without a large hit in FPS, ...

Guys, dont you ever look around, DID, Digital Integrations, Simis, MPS, Spectrum Holobyte, Janes, SSI, Graphsim, Razorworks all had two thing in common, first thing is, they have produced quality simulations, second thing is, they are all busted out, kaput, finito...

May be you didnt notice it yet , but all the quality companies stroke out, only G2 is going to risk and produce something GOOD while all other firms are producing games for DUMBS, because Simulation Fans are the smallest group in the gaming community and if G2 create a game that requires high-end machine, that will reduce the number of potential users and Im afraid they would also strike out even before releasing the first patch.

I also want good graphics, but I have been in this community since 1990 and each new title had come with BETTER graphics, however they didnt come with better quality simulation in balance. Please, todays graphics are very good even excellent (if you had played F-19 or Gunship 2000, you'd have agreed) pushing it any further would be a luxury, a luxury for small number of people, a luxury that wont last long....

[spyro23]

Wowwwww!!!!!!! Looks great to me. By the way, I was wondering if is possible to fly A-6 in future Fighter Ops add-on (Navy Ops ?)

[spyro23]

One more thing. Did you notise that draw distance is very poor and from low altitude ground look not so well??

[Zimluura]

the resolution is really low for most of the images. there are a few higher res images (though still a little below the standard 1024x768) and i think at the higher res the terrian gets much less eye-pleasing as all the shortcomings of texture resolution and aircraft polycount are more visible.

some of the lighting effects are really nice though, excessive specular highlighting might be a fun rendering tweak to have.

[Juggernaut]

This are the graphics that I Want to FO !!!

Remember only the graphics !!!



http://www.gamekult.com/tout/jeux/fiches/J000024221_screenshots.html?nopub=1&temp=532603200 424124047

It would be cool if FO could look like that. If perhaps even a few years down the line.

Problem in the comparison is that is a playstation game that likely has a terrain limited to just a few hundred miles, and like has low complexity flight models and AI and weapons modelling, etc....
Supposedly it isn't the graphics that slow a system down the most, but the complex AI and FM's. So then add a bunch of jets in the sky in a campaign in a larger terrain area, and I would think any 5 gig computer would fall to its knees.

Who knows though, hopefully down the line it will occur.
I am certain that eventually it will be possible even for complex flight simulators.

Juggernaut

[jhook]

The graphic do take up alot of memory and main frame processing. The AI aspect of the game should be determined by the data edits, which could run on, say, 20 to 50 megs. It depends on how the platform of the game is designed. What you see (and the radar sees) is what will require the most information and the greatest amount of processing power. The rest of the theater can run much like Falcon does, through a time generated calculation of events. That program could use very little in the way of processing power. In lament terms, it is what is going on around you that is required by the computers processor. Everything else uses very little pocessing power. This is why I kept banging on the doors for graphic and data base platforms to get an idea on how to create the foundation of the game. Every other sim uses technology that is 4 to 10 years old. Fighter Ops will use technology that is very young (1 to 3 years old). With this prospect, the "high fidelity" flight sim is coming of age quickly! :punk:

[BlackAce]

graphics quality is the LEAST important thing in a simulation, Jane's USAF graphics are just okay, not extreme however player can see all the important visual detail.

[heatbreak]

Awesome, Awesome, Awesome!!! Oh, and did I mention Awesome? :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jhook]

Black Ace, I agree that flight charactoristics are important, but I though we were talking about graphics here. :roll: I will most certainly talk about aerodynamics with you, but I was metioning that technology has advanced to the point were we can look at graphical yummies and say "yep, I'd like to fly that!"! :thumbsup:

[BlackAce]

Black Ace, I agree that flight charactoristics are important, but I though we were talking about graphics here. :roll: I will most certainly talk about aerodynamics with you, but I was metioning that technology has advanced to the point were we can look at graphical yummies and say "yep, I'd like to fly that!"! :thumbsup:

I have no doubt that you want realistic simulation as much as I do but my point is, most of you want "yummies" like you said, what I impress is that it refers to glossiness, reflections, illuminations, motion blur, bump-maps etc. which is luxury for me. thats what Im against, because in my perspective graphical quality is the accuracy of model, texture, signals, insignia, movables/animations, hatches/canopy etc.

I hope your understanding, :thumbsup: :military:

[Vlerkies]

Well said BlackAce
:drink:


:military:

~S~

[FlyBoy01]

BlackAce has a valid point. I taught a class in Puerto Vallarta for a conference at a local internet cafe. A couple of the guys there liked flight sims but felt frustrated that their machines would not play current sims at anything other than slide show.
FO should have great graphics but should either be scalable to low and high end machines or come in low res high res versions on the disc so that as many sim pilots as possible can indulge in our hobby. :)

[Vlerkies]

Excellent idea bud, you got my vote :drink:


:military:


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[Bladehawk]

Man... I don´t Get it...

There are Powerfull Graphic Cards, processors, GIGANTIC Hardisks to PCs !

So... Let´s "WANT EVERYTHING" Lomac stinks but see the graphics ?

Ace Combat 4 on PS2 " 300 mhz Processor, and no hardisk..." The speed, Graphics is FENOMENAL ! And my friends The Pilot AI ROCKS !!! only the FM is Arcadish...

I say It can be done !! there are a portuguese saying :
"ASK 1000 to Get 500..." if we star by asking 500... :roll:

[BlackAce]

... (erased)

Im sure you can get it if you read my previous post(S) LOMAC's key concept for marketing was the graphics, In my opinion, FO's concept is creating a simulation not a shooter with bright graphics, Im sure people at G2 will utilize graphical capabilities for realism not for cinematic view...

[Bladehawk]

Just because of curiosity, how does the AI rocks? if its as good(!) as the graphics, oh yeah I get the picture...

Im sure you can get it if you read my previous post(S) LOMAC's key concept for marketing was the graphics, In my opinion, FO's concept is creating a simulation not a shooter with bright graphics, Im sure people at G2 will utilize graphical capabilities for realism not for cinematic view...

Just a question ... Ever played ACE COMBAT 4 ? no ?
(Pete Bonnani is in the credits page, some pilots of the Japanese Air force too...).

If not, please GO Play and then, put it down if you like...

BlackAce... "Make no Mistake"... I like your posts... :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

a few drinks for the guys :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:

:military:

~S~

[BlackAce]

Just a question ... Ever played ACE COMBAT 4 ? no ?
(Pete Bonnani is in the credits page, some pilots of the Japanese Air force too...).

If not, please GO Play and then, put it down if you like...

BlackAce... "Make no Mistake"... I like your posts... :thumbsup:

:| thanks for the caution, I respect to your view but; (I would like to make my opinion clear)

I took it down because its a PS2 game which is equal to "skin-deep" for me. Anyways, I will correct my post now. I didnt want to mean offense

About graphics, as FO will be a dynamic game there will be hundreds of units around so having highly detailed and over loaded effects would lock up the game or WORSE people at G2 would set unit count to low to compansate which would be a fatal blow for the simulation.
:military:

PS: ah yes, drinks! thanks for the "coolant" Vlerkies! :thumbsup: :drink:

[Vlerkies]

No problem bud, i'll have a few myself :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:


:military:

~S~

[jhook]

Gentelmen, I've stated this before so I guessit needs to be stated again, "some one tell me what flight sim insn't scalable?" Every flight sim I ever had is scalable! 8) that means even older computers will be able to play Fighter Ops! :D And please to try and remember, the is a "high fidelity" flight sim! :thumbsup:

[Bladehawk]

Gentelmen, I've stated this before so I guessit needs to be stated again, "some one tell me what flight sim insn't scalable?" Every flight sim I ever had is scalable! 8) that means even older computers will be able to play Fighter Ops! :D And please to try and remember, the is a "high fidelity" flight sim! :thumbsup:

RIGHT ON !!

I HOPE "high fidelity" isn´t only for the FM, but for graphics too. :drink:

[jhook]

Bladehawk, you and a few others see and understand where I'm coming from. Technology should get us all what we want. :thumbsup: But don't mis understand me and the inportance of flighability! :? The fligh model will also be "high fidelity"! :shock: Still, the newer code platforms that G2I/Gen Av are using should make the game playable at all levels/settings v's computer level. :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Yeah if they model the FM's and other vehicles and munitions with high fidelity, i'm sure that the code platform they are using will take care of the FPS issues


:thumbsup:


:military:


~S~

[Ami_XSI]

Wowwwww!!!!!!! Looks great to me. By the way, I was wondering if is possible to fly A-6 in future Fighter Ops add-on (Navy Ops ?)

Can I be your WSO ? Please, pretty please :mrgreen:

[Vlerkies]

Lol... :drink: :drink:


:military:


~S~

[spyro23]

Sure bud :thumbsup: :D
A-6 ugly&deadly, Can you imagine our common low profile flight with no visual in mountains ?? :D Attak suprised enemy from unexpect direction and dissapear!
That is really something!!! I dream about this for a few years!

[Vlerkies]

I tell you that is the best thing about surprise attacks

:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:


:military:


~S~

[Bladehawk]

The surprise attack I would like was some info from G2I&GenAv... :wink:

[a.m.i]

wow wow wooooowwwwwww
if FO will look like this....
I'll be the first man to buy this...
of course it's not main like FM and AI

[Bladehawk]

No... you will be second to buy... :mrgreen:

[Vlerkies]

lol...you crack me up Blade

Have a few more


:drink: :drink: :drink:


:military:


~S~

[spyro23]

OK!!
I read this wow's and I started thinking (It's possible :mrgreen: )
This graphic is not so great. Look at this:
http://operations808.brinkster.net/Misc/29Prep.jpg
http://www.vaaf.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/zzz130.jpg
http://www.vaaf.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/zzz131.jpg
http://www.vaaf.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/zzz139.jpg
http://users.pandora.be/varry/pics/ScreenShot_014.jpg
http://www.imageshack.us/img1/4762/290.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/aka/ScreenShot_044.jpg
http://www.x-plane.org/users/tartarsauce/ScreenShot_001.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/584/tomcat7.jpg
In my opinion looks as good as Ace combat 5, maby better (maby ground is a bit worse but there is more objects)
Conclusion:
Graphics on the Lomac level will be OK, if will be better also OK (than I will be forced to make seorious hardware upgrate :mrgreen: )

[jhook]

I like those pics, they need touching up though. They got alot of jaggies but I love the ground crew "turning up" the jet! :thumbsup: I think this is the goal as reaching a new benchmark in flight sims will have to have detailed graphics. :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Agree jhook.
Shot Spyro


:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:
Drink up



:military:


~S~

[Bladehawk]

I like those pics, they need touching up though. They got alot of jaggies but I love the ground crew "turning up" the jet! :thumbsup: I think this is the goal as reaching a new benchmark in flight sims will have to have detailed graphics. :thumbsup:

I agree completly !
the ground crew "turning up" the jet is a must. Imagine the after we choose the weapons loadout, seeing the ground crew prepairing the plane with real loading times, fueling the plane... etc...
This is immersion ! :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Agrred bud, would be excellent :thumbsup:

:drink: :drink:


:military:

~S~

[jhook]

Bladehawk wrote


Imagine the after we choose the weapons loadout, seeing the ground crew prepairing the plane with real loading times, fueling the plane... etc...

Real load out times usually takes about 1 to 3 hours, unless you "hot pit" which takes about 30 min. to an hour. Real load out times would slow the sim down I think, but having ground crew check the plane while your turning up the jet would be awsome! :thumbsup: and a compressed "hot pit" time would be good so as to see groung crew loading your armament while your jet is still turning! :thumbsup: 8) [/quote]

[XRay]

[quote="Bladehawk"]This are the graphics that I Want to FO !!!

Remember only the graphics !!!



I hope not...

No canopy reflections.... Cockpit looks like crap.....

F4SP4 smokes this. PCs SMOKE CONSOLES!
ur stuck with console hdw. What you buy is what
you LIVE WITH! PC's can be BUILT!!!!!!

Building for Fighter ops here one!

3gig pentium 4 with 4 gig memory and GeForce 5950 AGP card on 8x
agp slot. FIRE ON ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stick that in your XBOX and playstaction and SUCK ON IT!!!!!

[jhook]

Xray,
I agree that the graphics will be much better than the playstation previews the Bladhawk has shone us. I have a decent computer myself, but I am not childish about pumping it up. I build mine up so as to push the envelope on FPS and image quality. Falcon 4 SP4 is, in my opion, bugged out of it's mind! :roll: The graphic quality is at it's maximum, and the code has become off limits to all except those how have a 6 to 7 figure income! :evil: And by the way, I just bought the "Fire GL Z1" so put that in you pipe and smoke it! :lol:

[Bladehawk]

[quote=Bladehawk]This are the graphics that I Want to FO !!!

Remember only the graphics !!!



I hope not...

No canopy reflections.... Cockpit looks like crap.....

F4SP4 smokes this. PCs SMOKE CONSOLES!
ur stuck with console hdw. What you buy is what
you LIVE WITH! PC's can be BUILT!!!!!!

Building for Fighter ops here one!

3gig pentium 4 with 4 gig memory and GeForce 5950 AGP card on 8x
agp slot. FIRE ON ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stick that in your XBOX and playstaction and SUCK ON IT!!!!!


X-ray...

You send ONE post just to tell so much BS...
Not another Viperman please...
Because of my respect for this forum and for the serious people that I consider to make part of it I just say to you...

1º - This is the only and the last time I reply to you about this sad post of yours.

2º - I hope You are a genius because every idea of yours will be put to my XRAY...

Bye !

[Vlerkies]

Well said Bladehawk
Have a couple
:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:

:military:

~S~

[Antler]

Hey Bladehawk,

Love the avatar pic!

:drink:

[Bladehawk]

Thx Antler !
:drink:

[Vlerkies]

Nice avatar bud. Almost looks like the one i used to have
:thumbsup:

:drink: :drink: :drink:

:military:


~S~

[Bladehawk]

By the way what happen to your AVATAR ? Is gone !

[Vlerkies]

I don't fly for that squad anymore bud, looking for a new active squad :thumbsup:


:military:

~S~

[Bladehawk]

Maybe we fly in the same squadron in FO !


On me :drink: :thumbsup:

[jhook]

Vlerkies, Bladehawk,
I don't fly in any squadrons either, mostly because I don't have the time, and my home conection is rather slow. But I'm considering upgrading my connection for multiplayer fun! :mrgreen: If you guy's want to start a squadron, I would be honored to join you. :thumbsup: :military:

[spyro23]

If you going start new squadron you can count on me :thumbsup:

[spyro23]

Going back to subject this post- few graphics thinks I want see in FO:
-strakes vortex visualisation- kinds of clouds in strakes during high AoA turns (I know that I can see this in f.ex. F4 but in Lomac someone forggot it)
-wing vortex visualisation- this same but in upper wings/fuselage surfaces (AoA can be quite low but must be high air moisture f. ex. after rain)
-Mach cone visualisation ( kind of cloud cone when you broke sound barrier at very low altitude, high air moisture) + triangle mark (something like ship kilwater/trace) on the water surface when you fly supersonic at very low altitude
-smoke traces (f.ex. behind Mig-29, Su-17, ect), some russian planes smoke like hell :mrgreen:
-of course heat & montion blur
I know that this kinds of graphics fireworks can kill (even on very powerful PC) framerate and good looks is not everything in sim but.......I really want see this in FO
P.S. All this is not my imagination, I've seen this in real live/movies

[Bladehawk]

SPYRO23
I Just love the level of detail of the things that you asked !! :thumbsup:

:drink:
on Me

[spyro23]

Beauty is hide in details :thumbsup:

[jhook]

Spyro 23,
You are describing the envelope that surrounds an aircraft as it goes MACH! :shock: That is one of the graphical yummies that fills my belly! :wink: Others on this post are playing down advanced graphics, but I know a little about the senery that will be going in and all I can say is, "have you been watching the news and see the sat graphics they use to view Bagdad?" Think of all that smoothed out and detailed! :shock: Low end cards woul'nt be able to see the fine detail, but the rest of us should enjoy this! :mrgreen: Now that's "High Fidelity!" :thumbsup:
P.S. sounds like I might have a few pilots for a new squadron. My Brother is a graphics engeneer, I will post an avitar soon and have it as a squadrun lable! :wink: :military: :thumbsup:

[spyro23]

Yes but not only! Only one thing is conected with sound barrier ( 3rd paragraph)
Rest of this "yummies" you can observe at subsonic speeds not only supersonic .
P.S. What we call our squadron?? Any propositions??

[jhook]

Spyro 23,
I'm working on a few titles. I will see what other squadron are modled like before I commit to anything. Besides, the Falcon 4 multiplayer is pertty limited, plus I am exploring the different hook-ups so It will be a little while yet as I am looking forward to "Fighter Ops" as my home base for the squadron. Plus there would be the squadron's primary mission, as yet I am torn between SEAD, AA and fast attack. Fast attack is what I'm leaning towards. But other pilots may have better suggestions. Did you post up on the poll? I put "the expansion mods" because that way, "fighter ops" can always improve! :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Well Bladehawk. Once FO hits the shelf are we going to begin a squad? We already have two more pilots. Including us two that makes at least a four ship strike

:drink: :drink:

:military:

~S~

[Bladehawk]

Well Bladehawk. Once FO hits the shelf are we going to begin a squad? We already have two more pilots. Including us two that makes at least a four ship strike

:drink: :drink:

:military:

~S~

When FO is out ... You can count on me !! :thumbsup: :drink:

[Vlerkies]

Shot bud check your pm
Spyro check your pm

:military:


~S~

[Antler]

Although I'd like to join you guys in your squad, I don't think I'd have either the time or the connection speed. Besides, I think I'd probably be too green at the moment - I'd either end up being cannon fodder, or fodder for Bladehawk's (unintentional I'm sure) insults. :mrgreen: (No offense meant. :drink: for everyone!)

Anyway, I look forward to flying either with or against you (in friendly competition of course) occasionally. (Though I realise the 'occasionally' will probably mean I won't be flying with you).

[Vlerkies]

No problem bud :thumbsup:

Shot for the drinks


:military:

~S~

[Bladehawk]

Although I'd like to join you guys in your squad, I don't think I'd have either the time or the connection speed. Besides, I think I'd probably be too green at the moment - I'd either end up being cannon fodder, or fodder for Bladehawk's (unintentional I'm sure) insults. :mrgreen: (No offense meant. :drink: for everyone!)

Anyway, I look forward to flying either with or against you (in friendly competition of course) occasionally. (Though I realise the 'occasionally' will probably mean I won't be flying with you).

ANTLER I would be honored to teach and learn everything I know to and from the ones I consider friends. I think you are one of them.

If one day we fly FO together you will see what I Know... 8)

:thumbsup: :drink:

[Antler]

ANTLER I would be honored to teach and learn everything I know to and from the ones I consider friends. I think you are one of them.

Thank you. :drink: for all!

[jhook]

This isn't a post for the new squadron, but I am looking into many aspects of cunducting a base of operations through "Fighter Ops"! :thumbsup: Anyone, includuing you Antler, would be very much welcome. :D I am looking into technology V's performance with a T-1 connection as of now. I will keep you informed from the PM from here on out. You may now return to your regularly schedualed program! :mrgreen:

[Vlerkies]

Great stuff bud :thumbsup:

:military:


~S~

[sgtkoolaid]

well good news on this is the nvidia FX 5950 256 is 1/3 the price now i saw it for like $385 on newegg.com

me however? im holding out for a nvidia FX 6800 Ultra 256 DDR3 (major homer drool!!! agghahahhggggghhhh) granted its $600 but majorly worth it with 16 pipe lines!! and DOom3 is coming weeeee!!!! gonna be losing sleep when i get that card and the games. i had FAR CRY those type of games to be played on anything less is sacreligious!! down right shame! lol but then again thats my opinion i could be wrong.

system specs

AMD 3200+ XP (OC'd 3500+ XP)
kool lance water cooling system exo AI
1.5 GB PC3200/DDR400
AUDIGY 2 LZ GAMER
2 X 120 GB SATA HD in Stripped 0 RAID
ATI RADEON 9700 ULTRA 128 DDR(soon to be ALBATRON nVIDIA GeForce FX5950 ULTRA Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/VIVO, 8X AGP
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