C-130 Hercules

[Recio]

I know this sim will be called Fighter Ops and that the venerable hercky is not really a fighter, but it is one of the most versatile and important military aircrafts.
It does combat as the Spectre version creating havok on ground targets if not strong air defences are opposing, it does mid air refueling to a large variety of planes (using basket), it does combat insertions and assaults plus cargo hauling.

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/c130_087.jpg

I am sure it would be nice to have this plane avalaible to perform such missions, so we can refuel some jets on air, or use a Spectre to kill ground targets while a CAP of F-15 give us air cover, or making a combat assault with F-16 protection.......

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/ac130_18.jpg

Having this outstanding plane will give us much more options to do different types of missions and taskings on the coming campaings and missions.

http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/images/kc130_06.jpg

Of course just fighter pilots do not need to fly it, but I am sure many of us would be challenge to fly combat missions on this outstanding plane.
And since it is not as complex on electronic systems as a fighter I guess it would not be really hard to implement.
What do you think?

[Bladehawk]

In a Air Support Ops I don´t mind In Fighter Ops even the list of planes Should be :

F16 Blk 50/52 - FALCON ALWAYS !!!!!!!! 8)
F15C
F18E Super Hornet to the Navy Boys... ( A10 passed to a Strike Ops ) but I can live with A10in FO... now... a Hercules !!! Fighter ???!!!

And the possibitity of Flying the raptor... 8)

[Lowblow]

I agree that this aircraft would add huge scope and enjoyment to the project.

[Vlerkies]

The F18 would probably be implemented in the Naval Ops module.
The C-130 and A-10 would probably be implemented in the Army Ops module


But it's just my 2cents whether it happens or not i wouldn't know


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[Recio]

In a Air Support Ops I don´t mind In Fighter Ops even the list of planes Should be :

F16 Blk 50/52 - FALCON ALWAYS !!!!!!!! 8)
F15C
F18E Super Hornet to the Navy Boys... ( A10 passed to a Strike Ops ) but I can live with A10in FO... now... a Hercules !!! Fighter ???!!!

And the possibitity of Flying the raptor... 8)

Well, call it Air Support Ops hehe, I do not mind as long as we can use it.
Anyway the Spectre is a Combat Machine, with more devastating and precise firepower than some so called Fighter Bombers

[Vlerkies]

The Spectre flying in a circular pattern over enemy troops does dish out alot of damage, and is every troops worst nightmare


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[Zolos]

AC-130 gunship video over Afghanistan (?) VERY impressive firepower!

It's been posted on most every aviation forum, but here it is for the 3 people who haven't yet seen it:

http://www.nationalsecurityblog.com/node/view/49

[Vlerkies]

It is very impressive if i can remember correctly, it comes packing a 105mm Howitzwer


Shot for the link mate :drink: :drink:

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[Recio]

Nice video. Surely the C-130 is a versatile and challenging plane to have. We can do precise strikes, combat assaults, refuelings.....
No military flight sim ever incorporated it so far so I guess this would be a great bonus for a new game, afterall, regular fighters have been avalaible since the early sims (mine was an F-15 on Spectrum 48k "computer" :-p )

I think this plane will add more to the game than just adding an new extra fighter-bomber models to the actual and extensive list of planned planes for this game.

[Vlerkies]

I agree bud. It will be great to be able to pilot such a versatile A/C


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[IxianMace]

Although I don't really mind whether or not this aircraft is included in the future, I do think that it is quite interesting, and hasn't been seen/simulated before in a flight-sim.

I'd love to be able to send an AA-12 in its direction as well. :-p

[Vlerkies]

If it's escort doesn't get you first :wink:

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[Bladehawk]

If it's escort doesn't get you first :wink:

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You read my mind Vlerkies ! :thumbsup:

See IXIAN this is our "vision of realism" things must not ! be so simple as "fire my AA-12"... :wink:

Are You still :evil: at me ?

[Recio]

I am glad you share the idea. Imagine the mission:
An AC-130H is tasked to surgically eliminate some targets.
On the same package, a couple of F-15 E are tasked to eliminate a nearby SAM, while a pair of F-16 fly escort on Spectre.

At same time the OPFOR alaso human controlled will try to prevent it by launching Mig-29 or SU-27.

The AC-130 must eliminate selected target without creating collaterla damage.

Sounds a fun mission for everybody, the SEAD guys, the escort, people, the hercky riders and the defenders. May require extensive planning and coordination but could be fun.

We can also make missions with C-130 also escorted make a airborne assault parachuting Rangers to sieze an airfield, that we will later use ourselves....
Or a mission where the C-130 acts as tanker and refuel some F-18 on their way in and out of a target, all this of course in bad weather at night 8)

It sounds a lot of fun for me.

[Vlerkies]

:lol: yeah it's not that easy to take out a vulnerable A/C especially if the escort is F-16 or F-15



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[Bladehawk]

Im already in my viper... 8)

[Vlerkies]

What you got loaded? AIM-120's or just AIM-9X's?

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[IxianMace]

Err, none of you guys thought that I hadn't considered the possibility of escorts when I chose the type of missile to fire at the AC-130... did you? :roll:

AFAIK, the AA-12 doesn't need a radar lock from launch to impact in order to score a hit. If I engaged the AC-130 with an AA-10C, I'd need to hold the lock all the way to impact, would I not? This would leave me vulnerable to attack from the escorts.

Please, give me at least a little more respect!! :roll: I'm not clueless when it comes to these kind of smaller details. I don't admit being an expert on weapons systems and such, and I've never flown any military aircraft, but I have been moving mud and flying air combat missions in previous sims for over ~5-6 years!!!

Surely that amounts to something? I'm well aware of things like enemy air defence assets, enemy CAP missions, etc etc.

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@ Bladehawk: I'm not mad at you (yet), but I am getting irritated at your apparent elitist attitude towards me. You seem to like talking down to me as if I'm just some sort of idiot that needs to be put in his place.

What did you mean exactly by "SEE IXIAN this is our "vision of realism..."? I get the impression from that that you think I have no idea about realism, and/or that I'm trying to make FO more unrealistic, and you feel threatened by that. For the last time, I'm not trying to make FO more unrealistic! I want it to be as realistic as possible (barring flying the real aircraft in reality).

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The comment I made in my previous post was just to get people thinking about the excitement or the possibilities of taking shots at aircraft like these (which I'm sure would be a high value asset). It would be interesting because AFAIK, this aircraft has never been simulated before in a flight-sim (correct me if I'm wrong?) Yes people, you're probably right, the gunship would most likely have escorts protecting it from enemy aircraft while it attacks ground targets. How would you engage and destroy it as quickly as possible to prevent it from taking out targets you're supposed to protect, while also getting past any escorts it may have?

I make a simple comment and I get slammed as if I'm some kind of moron who's clueless...

Is this the kind of community FO is going to be made up of? How will FO ever develop into a community of any content and worth if the attitude is as elitist and unfriendly as this? There is a difference between hardcore and elitist. I have no problem with hardcore, I have a big problem with elitists. :|

You may have good intentions and probably mean no offence, however you are going about it the wrong way. Maybe I'm not welcome here and should leave. The kind of attitude I see around here disgusts me. :|

My apologies to Recio and the rest of the forum goers here, for going off topic.

I'll shut up and get back in my hole now. :|

[Vlerkies]

Ixian without this turning into a flamewar, i just want to say that i did not at any time imply that you don't know anything about weapons systems. I merely stated that it wouldn't be so easy to take out a gunship protected by an escort. So please don't say i don't have respect. :thumbsup:


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[Recio]

My apologies to Recio and the rest of the forum goers here, for going off topic.


No apologizes needed. This is a new forum snd most of us have not know about others so I guess it is good we treat each other respectfully and do not take statements on the offence side easily as well.

I belive that most of the people posting on this forum are Falcon +SP players and that means they deserve respect cause players that run such complex sim, surely kow their stuff.
Some will know or have more experience than others but at this stage on forum most of the people here are hard core players. This may change the next moths when the game project becomes widely known.

For this reason I obviated to said before that AC-130 have a real good countermeausres equipement:

AN/AAQ-24 Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM)
AN/AAR-44 infrared warning receiver
AN/AAR-47 missile warning system
AN/ALE-47 flare and chaff dispensing system
AN/ALQ-172 Electronic Countermeasure System
AN/ALQ-196 Jammer
AN/ALR-69 radar warning receiver
AN/APR-46A panoramic RF receiver
QRC-84-02 infrared countermeasures system

This ofcourse will make the attacking planes to have a difficult although not impossible task.

But you all know that :drink:

So lets get all work togheter to ask the developers for such outstanding plane included on the project.

[Vlerkies]

I agree with you Recio, people have different levels of experience. But that must not come in the way of people trying to make this sim the best there is. If we all work together and try and get the C-130 implemented that would be great.
As i stated before as well i was at no time disrespectful to anybody, but all of a sudden i get dragged into it... figures

Have a cold one on me :drink:

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[SelfDefense]

I like the idea of the Herky gunship. I think it should be released as a mod after the fighter portion has been completed.

I enjoyed playing a sim called "B-17 The Mighty Eighth". The flight modeling wasn't very realistic but what I enjoyed was the fact that you could jump around between the 10 different stations in the bomber. One second you are plotting the course and checking position as the navigator, the next second you're in a tail-gunner or waist gunner position firing at incoming bogies. I think this would be very effective if you could do the same with a c-130 gunship.

:thumbsup:

[Bladehawk]

What you got loaded? AIM-120's or just AIM-9X's?

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A Pair of each is enough... I like to "travel light..." :wink:

[Bladehawk]

Ixian "Respect is what you get, when you give it"
So, I respect You because I see that you respect me. And you want the same that I want " R+E+A+L+I+S+M"

And now lets :drink: look at the sky !

[Recio]

Nice, now that we are all mates now, :drink:
What about all f you VOTING on this POLL so designers can see we are VERY INTERESTED on having a Hercules avalaible.
Lets do it in large numbers. So far only 3 people have votes YES, me among them :oops: LOL
So vote your oppinion for all to see.

VOTE for mighty Hercky!!!!

(lol this sounds as political elections)

[Vlerkies]

:lol: you got my vote :thumbsup:

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[Hippy16th]

not that it has been fully modeled, but it is in Falcon4.0+SP3/4, and is flyabe, and a decent free pit is out for it. I have flown a few airlift missions to kill some campaign time, and i do say even with Falcon's limitations, it is a joy to fly, also my vote is for yes...and i raise that to a HELL YEAH!

[Vlerkies]

Hooooooaaaaa!!! and of course a HELL YEAH!!!
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[spyro23]

I don't care if C-130 will be flyable in Fighter, Special, Transport ect. Ops if will be avaible in future. I can wait! You want Spectre, what about Compass Solo or simply transport ver. ?? Deliver supply, paratroopers, make very low altitude air drop (of course supply not paratroopers :mrgreen:), psy ops warfare (Compass Solo)
I surley wait for this!

[Vlerkies]

Because it was the first one that was mentioned bud. I wouldn't mind doing any of the ops you mentioned in the C-130. I'm also just waiting :thumbsup:


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[spyro23]

You are really great if you already mentioned this!! :thumbsup: You have great ideas!!
Sorry for my post if I repeat some issue but there are so many post :D
I can't remember all. I'm only human :mrgreen: Sorry for that.

[Vlerkies]

No reason to apologise bud. Everybody in here is human :thumbsup:


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Have two and call me in the morning


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