Regarding Theater: Who's Left to Fight?

[Allen]

I was just wondering -- in the real world, which countries for what reasons are likely to start a "war" that would actually be challenging. By that I mean a country powerful enough to genuinely offer the full range of challenges to a Viper pilot.

Russia could, but I can not think of any near term reason they would go to war.

China could, and may go to war over Taiwan.

North Korea could, and may be crazy enough to start something.

Meanwhile, Iraq is no more, Libia is calming down, etceteras.

Since I am out of ideas, I would be interested to hear yours -- what real countries for what plausible reasons would be able to mount a credible air-air and ground-air threat for us to game against (for more than about 3 days).

[Bladehawk]

Russia can Always be a problem... imagine Putin is killed the Ultra comunist party rises to power and "Mother Russia" is Back !!!
Imagine Girinosvky in power :shock:


India & Pakistan ... with a possibility of nuclear... :evil:


Israel...surrounded by friends.... :mrgreen:


Korea Conflict, always ! :thumbsup:

[IxianMace]

It was mentioned somewhere that the theatre of operation was still being considered and that the 'story' behind the theatre or the war, would have to be fictitious. I can't really think of any country today that would have a good reason to go to war, and still fit all the requirements that you mentioned.

We could look at countries that have territorial disputes or grievances towards each other. What's common in all these scenarios is that there is always something that is worth fighting over, the problem is finding out what that is exactly...

Fighter Ops might have to just go with futuristic and fictitious scenarios, the timeframe(s) that the 'war(s)' in Fighter Ops would be based in may have a say in what kind of aircraft are available to what countries at that time. The aircraft in service today may get replaced or phased out by newer, more advanced and capable aircraft in the future, which should make things interesting. The air defence assets and various weaponry in use would presumably also be different than the current types being used today, depending on how futuristic Fighter Ops plans to get.

Basically, IMHO it would be very difficult to fit a campaign to a realistic present or recent scenario involving two countries that have a good reason to go to war. It's enough for me that the avionics and flight models are going to be as realistic as possible, I wouldn't really mind the fact that the campaign(s) would be created around fictitious events...

[Vlerkies]

Well said IxianMace :drink:


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[Bladehawk]

Ixion Mace (This Ixion name is related to D&D Immortal Ixion or not ? )

I dont care if the theater is futuristic or not :roll:

Korea 2005, 2010, 2060 ??? if the theater is too futuristic is the F16 in service??
Maybe not, or maybe he is... but with upgrades that today can´ t be (hyper realistic) simulated. So the time frame can´t be to much Futuristic, to have a so called Hyper Real and Top Fidelity Simulation of an F16.


I just care if the simulation in that theater is "HYPER REAL" like the G2i and GenAv say...nothing more ! nothing less !

[IxianMace]

It's IxianMace btw. It comes from the Dune universe, created by Frank Herbert. :D

I don't really care if the theatre is futuristic either, I was just saying that the weapons loadouts might be quite different than what we're seeing today, depending on what timeframe the campaigns are being based on. :roll:

I also posted when there were no replies to the thread (and didn't see your post beforehand), so perhaps you misinterpreted my post?

[Top Gunner]

China could, and may go to war over Taiwan.
I'd look forward to a scenario involving Taiwan Strait. Okay maybe because I'm from Taiwan, and perhaps such a game could stir up interest for a ROCAF mod......

As for a fictitous story......

This is one I can think of:

Hawkish factions within PLA launched an extremist coup d'etat in PRC and have enjoyed considerable success against the reformist government. Taiwan, knowing that they could be next on the hawks' hit list once the hawks succeed, opt to voice support for the reformist government forces. The hawks, confident that they can silence Taiwan quickly and hoping to do so such that they can concentrate on finishing off the reformists, launch an invasion against Taiwan anyway using their elites as spearheads. Defeating such an invasion could also buy the reformists some time to organize a counter-attack. If the player loses the campaign then the hawks will be able to portray the reformists as traitors allowing a "renegade province" to "resist unification" and be able to use nationalism to win support against the reformists (ignoring the fact that Taiwan is supporting the legitimate leadership of Mainland China during this civil war) . Also, the majority of PRC's best nuclear arsenal is still in the hands of reformists, and there's no telling what could happen if the hawks are able to capture those weapons from them......

For some of the settings, the hawks is consisted largely of relatively older equipment (for example of air force, rebel PLAAF J-7 and J-8I) upgraded partially to modern standard, backed by a (relatively speaking) smattering of elite units (J-10 and Su-27) , but they enjoy considerable numerical superiority. The good guys (for example of air forces: ROCAF, loyal PLAAF, USAF) have a smaller force but are generally well-equipped (F-16, Mirage, F-CK-1, J-8II, J-10, Su-27, and the usual USAF inventory) .

Just an idea. I guess I just didn't like the good o'le "communist vs democracy" storyline being repeated too often.

[jhook]

As I have stated, how about a fluid time lime with multiple conflicts all at once! The UN or other freindly countries could be engaged in mutiple conflicts, thininning the resources, ect., and then a big conflict takes you by supprise, or as one conflict wraps up, another begins. And of other countries, well, thank god it's fiction here!!! :? Breakaway states that rename themselves and buy billions of dollars worth of military hardware and can mix it up. Say, here we go again, who about a fictational news source for the game! :D It would occationally update the situation in the theater! :D What do you pilots think about that one!

[Top Gunner]

I just made a few minor revisions to my fictitous story...... and of course I forgot to mention US Navy.

Well, now that I'm happy with my previous post, back to my real intention of this particular post.


then a big conflict takes you by supprise

I want to see how people react to and/or refine this suggestion. :)

[Zolos]

I think that Taiwan/US vs China and North Korea vs South Korea/US are the most current "real world" hot spots, but a dynamic campaign covering the globe leads to many "what if" scenarios. Most nations maintain some sort of armed air force, and their citizens have real or percieved enemies. Many possibilities, but I believe a dynamic campaign would be the cream on top of what sounds to be a stunning sim. :drink:

[Vlerkies]

Yeah it is the cream on top of a great sim.
A dynamic campaign to me also means endless possibilities of conflict and an endless war. Because as soon as your finished with one operation the next conflict can just pop out of nowhere


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[Zolos]

I like the Air Combat Command concept of Add-0ns for other warfare areas, as this parallels real-world conflict. Any of the theaters mentioned above could definately use add-ons for all branches of the military as part of a global and dynamic campaign -- Naval Ops (surface and sub), Armored warfare, Helo combat, Ground troops, Land based aircraft, Carrier based aircraft, hey even get the FPS crowd involved with a Special Ops add-on! :drink:

[Vlerkies]

If the FPS gets implemented some time, then it will definately be a fully functional electronic battlefield :thumbsup:


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[jhook]

You are talking about one game being many, (a Spec Ops, a SAR Ops, ect.) while the thought on this holds some interest, this is primarily a flight sim! :military: and we have to concentrate on the project at hand.

A fluid time line can allow multiple conflicts to begin along a story line. Say, a Priminister or Pesident gets assasinated, or a terrorist state sets off a bomb (nuclear?) and begins the conflict. Or a simple violation of a no "fly zone" trigers further agression which leads to war. To simply state; "We are at war, go fight here!", is kind of empty to me. :?

[Spitfire]

Hypothetically, yet I believe this will come to pass, a European Union versus United Kingdom and/or United States scenario is a very real possibility within the next 10 to 20 years.

Everyone had better wake up to the fact that the EU is well on its way to fulfilling their plan of over powering the United States as well as overpower / assimilate the United Kingdom into its evil plan. Don't believe me? Do the research.

The Euro is already more valuable than the dollar and gaining in exchange value, a fact which was not true just a few years ago. The first step is to overpower the US and / or UK economically, a matter which 9/11/01 facilitated the reversal of Dollar vs. Euro value.

A little known fact is that outside of Rome is an entire governmental complex known as EUR (European Union - Rome) which I believe will ultimately become the seat of the EU from which they plan to dictate all the affairs of the eastern hemisphere save possibly China and SE Asia. At that point there will be little chance of resistance from the West. Canada, Brazil, Argentina, and probably much of central and south America will join in whatever popularized world view may become simply for the socio-politic-economic benefits they would receive because as of now they have none. Of course this would all have the blessing of the UN and, God forbid, President Hillary Clinton.

Think I'm nuts? Watch and see...

[Zolos]

---- self censored my response about politics and globalization. Can do with out flamebait. ----- :oops:

Seriously though, an all-time classic movie (IMHO) is 'Red Dawn.' An early Patrick Swayze movie about USSR invading the US. This scenario would be an interesting starting point for a Fighter Ops campaign/mission - Imagine CAS along the Mississippi River, or Strike missions into enemy held Montana, low level ingress through the ruins of San Francisco!

[jhook]

An invasion on US soil would be intense!!! :shock: Due to the fact that we already have those tiles to model! :D That, in fact, could be the "big suprise" battle I posted earlier. Good feedback pilots! :thumbsup:

[Allen]

Lots of good thoughts here got my creativity working. Here's one that (very unfortunately) may happen in the next year or so.


Muslim fundamentalists overthrow the current Pakistan Government. Now they have the A-Bomb and delivery means.

Meanwhile fundamentalist sympathizers have been "elected" overwhelmingly in Iran (as did just happen).

The Spanish and a couple other Coalition partners pull their troops out of Iraq. This is interpreted as weakness by the new terrorist governments of Pakistan and Iran.

Meanwhile J. Kerry is elected president of the USA and vows to work out a peaceful settlement with mid-east rivals. He begins unilaterally pulling troops out of Iraq as a show of good faith. This is interpreted as further weakness.

Both Pakistan and Iran team up to kick the US and Coalition partners out of Afghanistan and Iraq (and eventually the mid-east) while killing as many infidels as possible.

They start by nuking Baghdad and US and UK troop concentrations and principal in-country airfields. Meanwhile, they vow to blow Tel Aviv off the map if they can fly over Iraq or Syria to get there.

They give an ultimatum to the Coalition -- get out of the mid-east – if we do, they will spare Tel Aviv and our miserable lives.

The Coalition (and Israel) knows there is no bargaining with terrorists (something the new President had to re-learn).

The weakened Coalition helped by the Israeli Air Force has only days to annihilate the Iran-Pakistan Axis air power and destroy missile sites -- while defending friendly mid-east cities from nuclear attack staged by low flying nuke-armed suicide aircraft coming in via Syria.

If any more nuclear attacks are successful or the fighting drags on, we may lose due to pressure from non-Coalition countries and pacifists back home who are terrified by nuclear war (as the terrorists had hoped). Because of that fear, we cannot use nukes. Moreover, both Pakistan and Iran must be utterly defeated-- and quickly -- so their remaining nukes do not get out of the countries.

Pilots must fly round the clock and their missions dare not fail.

[Vlerkies]

You are talking about one game being many, (a Spec Ops, a SAR Ops, ect.) while the thought on this holds some interest, this is primarily a flight sim! :military: and we have to concentrate on the project at hand.

A fluid time line can allow multiple conflicts to begin along a story line. Say, a Priminister or Pesident gets assasinated, or a terrorist state sets off a bomb (nuclear?) and begins the conflict. Or a simple violation of a no "fly zone" trigers further agression which leads to war. To simply state; "We are at war, go fight here!", is kind of empty to me. :?


Yeah sorry mate, got a bit carried away, but anyway full concentration is back on FO :drink: :drink:


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[jhook]

Vlerkies, I was just stating that combining a "first person" carry over for the game is a bit much at this time, however, as time goes by, and G2I/Gen Av create an open data platform, anything is possible! 8) Remember, I said that very thing not too long ago. :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Oh yes now i remember :drink: :drink:


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[16 263 HeartAttack]

Ever read Clancy's "Red Storm Rising"? ....Major battles all over the globe. A major campaign going on in the Atlantic, Iceland, Europe and the Middle East ... and all at the same time! .... Europe against a well equiped and motivated Russian Federation ..... ahhhh ... I love the smell of Hydrazine in the morning.....

[Vlerkies]

Yeah that's right, i got it at home, should actually read it again

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[Lowblow]

Theres always some body left to fight !!

Lowblow in London/England

[16 162 Raven]

Instead of "Red storm rising" id rather see something from clancy's "The Bear and the Dragon". China invades russia and we have to stop them before they launch a nuke at us or somebody else. just a thought :drink:

[jhook]

That's it pilots!!!, Great feed back! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Why not have everything, simultaniously, or time created, or both! :thumbsup: As always, I'm glad were dealing in fiction as any of these posibilities could come true. (I truely hope they don't) but the vurtual pilots are ready! :thumbsup: :military:

[16 162 Raven]

Im vurtually ready for anything. hehe

[Vlerkies]

Ready to scramble


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[mark_ye13]

My 2 cents.
1. Definitely a China vs _____ (fill in the blanks). Neverending tgts and always possible.
2. Israel vs _____ (fill in any Middle East Nation(s).
3. India vs Pakistan. Who would we support? If the war on terrorism is still on, definitely Pak, if not, we'd probably pull for India.
4. DPRK vs ROK. Not likely, but a classic.
5. Breaking from the possible, but a REAL good war would be the classic NATO vs Warsaw Pact. I can't BELIEVE the Iron Curtain fell before the technology was there to pack that full of sims!
6. And the finale...since a lot of the rest of the world is so ready to get up on their soapboxes and bite the hand that feeds them, what about a USA vs (several developed nations in an alliance that would give us a run for the money)?

OK, I lied, that wasn't the finale. Or if it was, this is the GRAND finale. The US, by ourselves (or with Israel) against several Middle East nations. With no international cooperation, we couldn't send an overwhelming number of assets in the AOR so you would have to conserve them while still accomplishing the overall mission. I know, I know, the US would NEVER have to do this on it's own, right? But lets just PRETEND that the rest of the world isn't in our corner.

[Bladehawk]

My 2 cents.
1. Definitely a China vs _____ (fill in the blanks). Neverending tgts and always possible.
2. Israel vs _____ (fill in any Middle East Nation(s).
3. India vs Pakistan. Who would we support? If the war on terrorism is still on, definitely Pak, if not, we'd probably pull for India.
4. DPRK vs ROK. Not likely, but a classic.
5. Breaking from the possible, but a REAL good war would be the classic NATO vs Warsaw Pact. I can't BELIEVE the Iron Curtain fell before the technology was there to pack that full of sims!
6. And the finale...since a lot of the rest of the world is so ready to get up on their soapboxes and bite the hand that feeds them, what about a USA vs (several developed nations in an alliance that would give us a run for the money)?

OK, I lied, that wasn't the finale. Or if it was, this is the GRAND finale. The US, by ourselves (or with Israel) against several Middle East nations. With no international cooperation, we couldn't send an overwhelming number of assets in the AOR so you would have to conserve them while still accomplishing the overall mission. I know, I know, the US would NEVER have to do this on it's own, right? But lets just PRETEND that the rest of the world isn't in our corner.


Point 6 ???? :shock: :mrgreen: Get real !!!

[spyro23]

I think you forgot some countries
Chile vs. ................. (Pinohet or some like him back and start war)???
Argentina vs. UK part 2 (Falklands)
Latin America countries (drug cartels take power)????
Cuba!!!
And what with Greece vs. Turkey ?? They argue about Cyprus for years (inside NATO conflict)????
You suerly know that big wars mostly starts from small conflicts so
"Our limits are only skies" :military: :)

[mark_ye13]

I was. There are plenty of nations that are actively against us in the war on terrorism, but there are many others that aren't willing to put anything in the pot and whine about not getting the bennys on the ass-end (not just France). For example, there is a nation in Europe that's whole contribution so far is:

- Under the ISAF control a Portuguese Medical Team, with two doctors, three nurses and three technicians, was in Kabul from Mar 01, 02 to Apr 20, 02, for health support to the British Brigade and Afghanistan civilians.
- Also for the ISAF support and under its control, a C-130 with crew and a maintenance team, total of 15 men, based on the FMB South, Karachi was operating from Apr 11, 02 until Jun 30, 02, accomplishing 150 hours flight missions.
- A liaison officer was also appointed to the MNMCC, High Wycomb, GB, during the C-130 deployment for logistic coordination.

OOPS! I gave it away. Darn. How about we make it as realistic as possible (aircraft capabilities-wise) and stretch the imagination on other areas, like the number of aircraft, the conflict areas, and Portugal's willingness to actually do anything substantial to help. Jus t a thought.

[mark_ye13]

Spyro23,

You are on a roll today! Good ones! And even better, both Greece AND Turkey have F16's, so Bladehawk will support it!

PS - Nothing but love for you Bladehawk. I just think that with a possibility for 5 diverse, but inter-operable, games, G2I should try to make it as "all-inclusive" as possible in terms of aircraft and campaigns.

[Bladehawk]

Spyro23,

You are on a roll today! Good ones! And even better, both Greece AND Turkey have F16's, so Bladehawk will support it!

PS - Nothing but love for you Bladehawk. I just think that with a possibility for 5 diverse, but inter-operable, games, G2I should try to make it as "all-inclusive" as possible in terms of aircraft and campaigns.

Are you talking of F16 block ??? 10,15,20, 25 ? these are only dangerous to SU35 and 39 !!! :-p :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

When I talk about a F16 I´m talking about F16 CJ Block 50/52 the most modern Viper...

PS - Nothing but love for you to mark_ye13 :drink:

[spyro23]

Yes, Grece vs. Turkey is a good idea I think
This campagin could be quite challanging because both countries have strong air/land/naval forces. Grece buy recently few S-300 and Tor's and what I know put those Air defence system in Cyprus. a hipotetical conflict could look that:
After buy those systems Turkey send ultimatum to Grece to take ADef. from island but Grece won't do this, whats more seized whole island. Turkey prepare to landing operation but first must destroy very good Adef. system. Rest of NATO is confused and divided. Which country have right? So do nothing, only send orders/ ultimatum to both countries to stop war. This whole situation encurage Kurds (maby with some arabic countries) to start rebel in Turkey Those countries can also try pull Israel into this conflict. Few weeks later whole middle east is in War. Of course NATO send units to stop this rising war.
This is only proposition and some details could look not good but this is only sketch.
What are you think about this??

P.S. Sorry for my poor english

[jhook]

Great pilots, now, think of all these conflicts happening at once! :shock: Or tied to an independant fluid time line! :thumbsup: Now, you get the picture. This campain mod should be introduced when all of the theaters are released. Make this one "Campain Ops"!, :thumbsup: or a combination with the other mods with campains as well. The world would be a very hectic place. :shock: Thank God it's fictional! :?

[mark_ye13]

spyro23 and jhook,

THAT'S what I'm talking about! It was a few years ago, but if anyone has read "Enemy Within". It's a fiction that shows how a small terrorist group manipulates things all over the world to work toward what they want. I hope what they did isn't really possible, but to the average person it could. Things could get out of control in lots of areas over the globe and if a few of them happened at the same time, it could/would suck a lot of countries into something they didn't plan for. I am liking this "global campaign" thing more and more every time I hear peoples ideas.

[Top Gunner]

While on topic of a finale campaign, I was suddenly reminded of Energy Airforce (http://www.ea-web.com/old/index.html), a PS2 game available only in Japan (hense the Japanese website) . To keep the story short, the players fly against a unknown armed organization technically sophisticated enough to pull off stunts like shooting down Air Force One, carpet bombing major Russian and other Aisan cities, deploying satellite-based strategic weapons that could destroy allied airbases in SE Asia, and the likes. (Despite the fact that the opponents are all equipped with Russian-made weapons, it doesn't seem to slap the label of ingame arch-evil onto any country. Even MiG-29 and MiG-31 are available as friendlies- surely the player isn't flying in the name of USAF, but like I said, I think the story of democracy vs neo-communism is boring......)

I remember someone wants a challenging scenario. Say, we can have a terrorist group manipulating countries all over the world as they eventually grow into one as technically sophisticated as the one in Energy Airforce (I dunno, maybe partly by running scandals involving major defense contractors around the world...... even United States) .

[Vlerkies]

Very good brainstorming by the pilots here jhook, and i really like mark_ye's idea


:drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: drinks for everyone


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[Bladehawk]

While on topic of a finale campaign, I was suddenly reminded of Energy Airforce (http://www.ea-web.com/old/index.html), a PS2 game available only in Japan (hense the Japanese website) . To keep the story short, the players fly against a unknown armed organization technically sophisticated enough to pull off stunts like shooting down Air Force One, carpet bombing major Russian and other Aisan cities, deploying satellite-based strategic weapons that could destroy allied airbases in SE Asia, and the likes. (Despite the fact that the opponents are all equipped with Russian-made weapons, it doesn't seem to slap the label of ingame arch-evil onto any country. Even MiG-29 and MiG-31 are available as friendlies- surely the player isn't flying in the name of USAF, but like I said, I think the story of democracy vs neo-communism is boring......)

I remember someone wants a challenging scenario. Say, we can have a terrorist group manipulating countries all over the world as they eventually grow into one as technically sophisticated as the one in Energy Airforce (I dunno, maybe partly by running scandals involving major defense contractors around the world...... even United States) .

I´m in Portugal and I have Energy Airforce... Buy it in Spain... :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Is it any good? Reason i'm asking is coz i don't own a Playstaion. I believe solely in a good Computer

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[spyro23]

Do you know what is the difference between reality and fiction ??
Fiction MUST be propable! (I don't remember who said this sentence) Example WTC attak-who can predict this tragedy? You see what I try to say.
And from this reason is so difficult to wrote good story.
For me every one is good if is at least a little propable.

[Bladehawk]

Is it any good? Reason i'm asking is coz i don't own a Playstaion. I believe solely in a good Computer

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Like Ace Combat 4, breathtaking graphics and exellent AI...and tons of action. nothing more... :mrgreen:

Like I said put this to features and "A BRUTAL HARDCORE REALISM" and FO sucess is guarenteeeeeed !

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[Vlerkies]

Thank you very much for clearing it up you guys..

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Drinks for everyone


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[Bladehawk]

Is it any good? Reason i'm asking is coz i don't own a Playstaion. I believe solely in a good Computer

:drink: :drink:

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Like Ace Combat 4, breathtaking graphics and exellent AI...and tons of action. nothing more... :mrgreen:

Like I said put this to features and "A BRUTAL HARDCORE REALISM" and FO sucess is guarenteeeeeed !

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Read two and not to...sorry ! :oops:

[Vlerkies]

No need to say sorry bud.
Here have a few drinks and let's talk the biggest load of BS under the sun
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[Vampyre]

Great ideas all. I think any of the techno thrillers by Larry Bond(Cauldron, Red Phoenix, Voetex) Tom Clancy, or Harold Coyle would be great startng spots for potential conflicts. It would also be good to use some of the Harpoon series campains as models for a conflict. Cheers! :drink:

[Vlerkies]

Howzit Vampyre and welcome to the forums. Have a great time here
:drink: :drink: Cheers to you too


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[Bladehawk]

WELCOME VAMPYRE !

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[Vampyre]

I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on this game no matter what the setting for conflict is. The Red Dawn idea is quite a lot of merit to it. It would be great fun to defend/attack the US. I've not heard of this concept for a PC flight sim before.
Thanks for the welcome Vlerkies and Blade. Here's two for both of ya :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink:

[spyro23]

China could, and may go to war over Taiwan.
I'd look forward to a scenario involving Taiwan Strait. Okay maybe because I'm from Taiwan, and perhaps such a game could stir up interest for a ROCAF mod......

As for a fictitous story......

This is one I can think of:

Hawkish factions within PLA launched an extremist coup d'etat in PRC and have enjoyed considerable success against the reformist government. Taiwan, knowing that they could be next on the hawks' hit list once the hawks succeed, opt to voice support for the reformist government forces. The hawks, confident that they can silence Taiwan quickly and hoping to do so such that they can concentrate on finishing off the reformists, launch an invasion against Taiwan anyway using their elites as spearheads. Defeating such an invasion could also buy the reformists some time to organize a counter-attack. If the player loses the campaign then the hawks will be able to portray the reformists as traitors allowing a "renegade province" to "resist unification" and be able to use nationalism to win support against the reformists (ignoring the fact that Taiwan is supporting the legitimate leadership of Mainland China during this civil war) . Also, the majority of PRC's best nuclear arsenal is still in the hands of reformists, and there's no telling what could happen if the hawks are able to capture those weapons from them......

For some of the settings, the hawks is consisted largely of relatively older equipment (for example of air force, rebel PLAAF J-7 and J-8I) upgraded partially to modern standard, backed by a (relatively speaking) smattering of elite units (J-10 and Su-27) , but they enjoy considerable numerical superiority. The good guys (for example of air forces: ROCAF, loyal PLAAF, USAF) have a smaller force but are generally well-equipped (F-16, Mirage, F-CK-1, J-8II, J-10, Su-27, and the usual USAF inventory) .

Just an idea. I guess I just didn't like the good o'le "communist vs democracy" storyline being repeated too often.

My conflict scenario:
In early 2005 second EP-3 Aires was shot down by China Su-27 180 miles from China coast. China government claim that US aircraft broke 200 miles restricted area. USA claim that international law says that resticted area is only 12 miles and treat this as an attack. US government put embargo on china products and start set NMD system elements
(try defend island from IL-1,IL-2, DF-5 long range ballistic missiles) China response is very resoluted. China navy make Taiwan blockade and start reign South China Sea(all trade ships are arrested). China forces are preparing to sea landing operation. To stop this preparations Taiwan and US air forces make advance attack on AG ballistic missiles (M-9, M-11), ground units in Fujian province. US send carrier but few days later China destroyer Fu-Zhou (Sowriemiennyj class) attack him and seriously damage (Jachont & Moskit missiles). So only backup Taiwan air forces are fighters rebased from Okinawa. Taiwan and US forces try not attack any ABC weapons and this way avoid Nuclear war. China also don't want use nuclear weapons because: intercept ballistic missiles propability and strong US response(nuclear) are very high. US resupply is low because US is still engage in Iraq. All peace conversation fail. China government still want Taiwan inside. China will try destroy NMD elements (for example Aegis class ships, NMD launchers ect.) and seize island. The war has began!
I focus here on war not political issues.
What are you think about it??
My english is poor so if someone want write conflict scenario with me I will be more then happy. My political knowledge is quite poor but I can make warfare scenario.

[jhook]

Why not have a country develope new technology/aircraft that would give the US a run for it's money! :shock: I know of dozens of special projects being completed, not by just this country, but many others, and this is all fiction, so another country could steal and develop some of these new technologies. :military: Everything from SAM systems to MACH 3+ fighters. Some of these systems under development can be used to create a truly chalanging environment. :thumbsup: :wink:

[Vlerkies]

I really like your idea for conflict Spyro, and your idea combined with jhooks idea can make a very very interesting conflict :thumbsup:


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[Bladehawk]

EXCELLENT conflict Spyro, very interesting :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Once again, the amount of excellent ideas and suggestions is overwhelming and pleasing to see. :thumbsup:


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[spyro23]

SAM's system or Mach 3+ fighters !! Good one Jhook :thumbsup:
I realise now that China could buy from Russia for example S-400 very long range SAM system.(Russia says that currently make final tests these "top in the world" weapon!) Mix:
-S-400
-Tor or Pancyr(low range AAA/SAM mobile system)
-new ver. of A-50 AWACS
-Kolczuga or Tamara passive detect systems
-new Navy air defence complex like S-300 in Moscow class ships
and you will get best air defence in the world (Patriot PAC III, Arrow ect. can hide themself ). No one says that you need powerful air forces to destroy enemy airforces, good air defence is enough. Russia have no money now so make new weapons for India and China money (for. example new ver. of Su-27 family) and sell almost everything if someone have money!
About mach 3+ fighters.
Propability that China or even Russia will make this kind of jets is low. But if you equip f.ex. Su-30 MKI with: Jachont, R-77, Kab-XXX, Ch-31(X-31) missiles and bombs these jets will be very dangerous and challanging!

[Vlerkies]

*Drooling*
The military hardware mentioned here is awesome. Wish i could have something like that. All i got in my safe at home is an LM5 :thumbsup:

:drink:

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[Bladehawk]

And how about an F16 with Supercruise, Trust vector, HMS, Ram surfaces the raptor avionics and ECM .

Hey guys Just Kidding... :mrgreen: but sometimes I like to "imagine a falcon like that..." must be this damm :drink:

[Vlerkies]

Now that in my opinion Blade will make the most superb and dangerous multi role fighter to date

I also think all this drinking is getting to us
But hey what the heck
Let's have some more :drink: :drink: :drink:


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[jhook]

That's it pilots,
Just one thing, "Fighter Ops" should keep the numbers low so as not to unbalence the game. Also, I've heard of a block 80/82 viper with supercruise in it's testing stages (using a retooled airframe and an F/A-22 engine). All of these should be implimented in "Advanced Fighter Ops" as these aircraft are decades away from being completed. But fiction can be fun. :thumbsup:

[Bladehawk]

That's it pilots,
Just one thing, "Fighter Ops" should keep the numbers low so as not to unbalence the game. Also, I've heard of a block 80/82 viper with supercruise in it's testing stages (using a retooled airframe and an F/A-22 engine). All of these should be implimented in "Advanced Fighter Ops" as these aircraft are decades away from being completed. But fiction can be fun. :thumbsup:

:shock: block 80/82 viper :shock:

in "Advanced Fighter Ops" ??!!!! :shock:

in 2 words FANTASTIC !! I BUY IT !! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[spyro23]

And what with Desert Falcon (F-16E/F blk 60) Some elements are from JSF. We don't need run so in the future! Check this site:
http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&re q=viewarticle&artid=9&page=1
What are you think about my baby?? :mrgreen:

[jhook]

The block 80/82 is a version of the Falcon used to test the engines and airframe mods of the JSF. But this is fiction, and maby the advantage to all of the old Vipers is to re-tool them! For example; the B-52 never seems to die! It constantly goes through mods and upgrades! :mrgreen: The same could be said for the Falcon (and hopefully, "Fighter Ops")! :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Very nice Spyro.
And that is so true jhook, if you keep on upgrading and modding airframes and avionics, an aircraft can be in service well into the future

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[Top Gunner]

And how about an F16 with Supercruise, Trust vector, HMS, Ram surfaces the raptor avionics and ECM .

Hey guys Just Kidding... :mrgreen: but sometimes I like to "imagine a falcon like that..." must be this damm :drink:

The block 80/82 is a version of the Falcon used to test the engines and airframe mods of the JSF. But this is fiction, and maby the advantage to all of the old Vipers is to re-tool them! For example; the B-52 never seems to die! It constantly goes through mods and upgrades! :mrgreen: The same could be said for the Falcon (and hopefully, "Fighter Ops")! :thumbsup:
Reminds me of this (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_photos_album28-photoaac.html) (full info here (http://www.f-16.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&re q=viewarticle&artid=63&page=1)) . Except that on that proposal the engine is still F100 (just the thrust vectoring one used on F-15 ACTIVE) . Add the conformal fuel tanks developed for newer F-16Cs and you'll have a F-16 with the longest range ever.

Trivia: according to Jane's, it was to have the same conformal AIM-120 carriage like F-16XL.

[Vlerkies]

Great stuff bud :thumbsup:

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[jhook]

With all of these modifications and technologies, G2I/Gen Av will have to make "advanced fighter Ops I, II, III and so on, just to keep up with all of the improvements made on combat aircraft. :thumbsup: All in all, excellent feedback. :thumbsup:

[Vlerkies]

Agreed bud. :thumbsup:

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[Bladehawk]

Hey Guys !!!

more info... about F16 and... AIM9X...

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=65367


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[Allen]

If it is not mentioned already,

the AIM-9X is operationally deployed since November in Alaska.

[Vlerkies]

I remember reading something like that somewhere, but i can't remember where :thumbsup:


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[Top Gunner]

Now I just finished browsing F-16.net (because I admittedly have nothing better to do) , and there's a "F-16AT/Falcon 21" entry (very) briefly talking about a 1990 proposal as a low-cost alternative to the ATF. It was to incorprate an ATF engine and a "trapezoidal delta wing" (instead of the cranked-arrow wing...... is it the same kind of modified F/A-22 wing for F-16X or something else? Anyway, I suppose AIM-120 carriage is also conformal like F-16XL and F-16X......) into the basic F-16XL design.

Well that's F-16 with JSF engine for ya. :drink:

Now if there's someone willing to make a mod accomodating those proposals......

[nazih]

Keywords:

1) Multiple Theatres
2) Fly for both sides


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since the whole globe would be modelled, you can focus on several hotspots (shouldnt be a problem), Middle East, Iraq, Balkans, Korea, India-Pakistan, and you could throw in some fictional theatres of combat, USA (for all Jetfighter heads) Russia, Taiwan.

[Kevler]

[quote="nazih"]Keywords:

1) Multiple Theatres
2) Fly for both sides


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I go with these 2 points as well! , If not in the default campaign at least in the Custom Mission Editor, Multiplayer etc.