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Congrat Buckshot,
Very well done and though not exhaustive, it gives a clear view of "what's going on". I can see a lot of copy/paste "read the faq" coming in :lol:
However, I'm quite surprise by, again, the lack of french fighters. No mirage, though this plane and its family is one of the most sold aicraft around the world, and possibly one of the most flown by differents countries.
Rafale would be cool too, though most of the info are classified, but still, its design is one of the best to date. Not to mention eurofighter who's gonna be flown by 3 or 4 countries, plus exportations.
As previously said FAQ is not exhaustive, and I'm sure, the sim will not only cover Russia vs US and their exportations allies. France, Sweden, Israël, Italy, England and many more countries are also aircraft manufacturer. Let's not forget it.
Cordially,
Toga
Buckshot
03-09-2004, 07:15
Absolutely agree toga, one the biggest factors that lead to chosing aircraft are the amount of data we have available, and the popularity of that aircraft. You can be assured that the plan is to continually add aircraft, the initial aircraft chosen though were picked due to the access to information we have on those, access to real pilots who fly them, and the popularity of those jets. I certainly hope to see Mirage or Rafael aircraft on the list at some point.
IxianMace
03-09-2004, 07:40
From what I read on the FAQ, Air Combat Command is the core game, and all the 'Ops' are separate modules that are addons to the game. I originally thought that Air Combat Command: Fighter Ops was one game in itself, and that the other 'Ops' were all different separate games in the series.
Having said that, I believe that Air Combat Command is the one game, and all the 'Ops' will be addons to it. Is this correct? ?_?
If this is correct, then I think I finally understand what Shadow said when he said "The project will be released in stages so the the community doesn't have to wait for the complete package". :D
Buckshot
03-09-2004, 07:52
Yes, to be honest, I believe that the "project" will never be finished, when I say that I mean that it will always be added to and improved, much as Falcon has (albeit under legal constraints) over the past 5 or 6 years. However without constraints so we will see that the sim is going to go a lot further, in a much faster timeframe.
Imagine how far a sim will come in 5 or 6 years for now with a committed development team working on it the whole time, taking the communities suggestions and turning them into reality. There is no limit to how far we can take this, it's going to be a very exciting ride. :D
IxianMace
03-09-2004, 07:59
Indeed, I'm going to explode just thinking about it. :-p :thumbsup: Can't wait until this becomes a reality, it sounds like it's the game that's going to see all my other games gather dust. :drink:
Vlerkies
03-09-2004, 08:57
I believe it will be an exciting ride and a job very well done on the FAQ Buckshot :thumbsup:
:military:
~S~
flybyfly
03-09-2004, 09:13
I want just one aircrafts(F-15E) that have programmed very fully in detail. :D
Vlerkies
03-09-2004, 09:16
Well according to the FAQ they are doing both F-15's in full detail :mrgreen:
:military:
~S~
If Air Combat Command is the core game and the new parts will be add-ons, where can i get the game or will it be deliver with the add-ons? :?
Vlerkies
03-09-2004, 09:40
That is a good question bud, but i don't think it will be answered right now. I might be wrong though you never know. But asking has never hurt anybody right?
:military:
~S~
Bring on the flyable SU-34s :lol: :lol: :lol:
Vlerkies
03-09-2004, 10:21
:lol: what are you planning to do
:military:
~S~
Buck,
I was wondering something?
Many sims and communities exists. Most of these having the same fan base, which means that when you fly Falcon, you usually fly Lock-on.
Those two, among many others, have the F15, A10 and F16 already. So why not pick up other aircrafts to look a little different from your competitors.
for instance, it's has been long time since we didn't see Harrier or F14 Tomcat sims (since 2 seaters won't be an addon, but in the core of the pogram). Beeing in the business, you know that these are the most requested by the way :mrgreen:
You began to answer this question, by claiming that very few planes specs were available. but in this example, I'm sure there are plenty, as these planes are 30 years old and very popular. Besides, very easy to find pilots that have been piloting theses birds for years.
I'd be interested to read your answer. I know you might say, they are on top of the list, but why not put them in front of F16 anf F15. This is a very ojective question, as I'm more a Mirage and Rafale planes. I just wanted to reflect the average simmers requests :)
Cordially, :thumbsup:
Alex
Vlerkies
03-09-2004, 10:50
I have to say that is a really good statement and question. Also waiting in anticipation :thumbsup:
:military:
~S~
It's once again a good plan. I share every single point in it. It's quite similar to what I had in mind. It seems quite solid, now we'll have to see how you deliver the "tech" part.
If everything goes smoothly you have a great project in your hands.
GoatRope
03-09-2004, 14:11
Greetings,
On Frugal's, someone posted that you are using the "Unreal" engine.
http://unreal.epicgames.com/
Can anyone confirm or deny that?
I haven't seen the post at Frugal's but it had to be in jest. The Unreal engine is not one for air combat simulations.
Toga,
I think the F16 and F15 plus the A10 are good starting points because these are planes that are the workhorses of the US military at this point. I know that may sound a bit egocentric but I am just supposing that when they decided to model combat jets they thought of the US military first along with then their adversary planes.
These planes need to be updated. LOMAC, while it does have these planes, does not have the F16 flyable and the E version of the F15 is not either. Plus, this new sim can differentiate itself from other sims with its good dynamic campaign which LOMAC does not have. Even if it gets one through a third party add-on it still will not be truly dynamic at this point.
Having said that, I do like your choice of planes and would especially welcome some nice European fighters like the Typhoon, Grippen or the Rafaels.
The F15s models will be competitive as those of Quake's Model??? :?
http://www.freefalcon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3394&highlight=
I hope!!!! 8)
Thanks, ICE
Maestro,
Good point. The only question you want to ask yourself is, do you really want to pilot the planes, you have been piloting the last 5 years?
Do you change cars every 10 years, or every 5 years?
When I buy a product I like to see something new. What they will be providing us with, is to bring the level of realism and pleasure to a higher level.
I don't know if you are old enough to drive, but If in 5 years I propose you the same car you already have, with just 20 more horsepowers, a new windshield and I tell you that you will spare 1 gallon per 100 miles, I don't know if you are not going to go the my neighbour, who propose you with a brand new car with tons of new technologic evolutions and a new skirt for your wife, not to mention the ballons for the kids and a 2 happy meals :mrgreen:
What would you do? :thumbsup:
Cordially,
toga
Toga,
If my F16 or F15 had the controls/instruments of a car I would change it every other year :D However they don't and as it takes many months (years?) to learn the controls and instruments of the 'hard core' flight sims I would rather have a flight sim with a 'plane in which I have some experience. The addition of new 'planes later is good because if a different 'plane is added and it took my fancy I could learn the new plane gradually but still get my highs on the plane I know well.
Just my opinion, Toga, no disrespect meant.
Regards,
Colly
Vlerkies
03-10-2004, 10:32
I agree with you Colly, I also don't intend any disrespect, but i also rather prefer flying a A/C that i know and have experience in than learning a whole new A/C from scratch. Although it is a good idea, it will be better suited in addons that will come out. So that it gives you time to enjoy the sim with the current A/C that you now how to fly and then later on when a new addon comes out you can learn the new A/C. Just my 2cents :D
:military:
~S~
Greetings,
On Frugal's, someone posted that you are using the "Unreal" engine.
http://unreal.epicgames.com/
Can anyone confirm or deny that?
We are not using the Unreal engine
gharper1
03-11-2004, 01:59
Greetings,
On Frugal's, someone posted that you are using the "Unreal" engine.
http://unreal.epicgames.com/
Can anyone confirm or deny that?
We are not using the Unreal engine
so it IS the Half Life 2 source code then? I wondered who was behind it, I Shoulda known it was Katz! :wink:
Vlerkies
03-11-2004, 04:07
:lol:
:drink: a cold one on me
:military:
~S~
Colly, Vlerkies,
No offense taken. And if your analyses, as I said before, reflects the average Flight Combat simmer, so be it.
Cordially,
Vlerkies
03-12-2004, 08:15
Happy to hear it Toga :drink:
:military:
~S~
McHighlander
03-13-2004, 07:19
Maestro,
Good point. The only question you want to ask yourself is, do you really want to pilot the planes, you have been piloting the last 5 years?
Do you change cars every 10 years, or every 5 years?
When I buy a product I like to see something new. What they will be providing us with, is to bring the level of realism and pleasure to a higher level.
I don't know if you are old enough to drive, but If in 5 years I propose you the same car you already have, with just 20 more horsepowers, a new windshield and I tell you that you will spare 1 gallon per 100 miles, I don't know if you are not going to go the my neighbour, who propose you with a brand new car with tons of new technologic evolutions and a new skirt for your wife, not to mention the ballons for the kids and a 2 happy meals :mrgreen:
toga
Hey TOGA!
If you read the FAQ... But READ the FAQ!... you'll find written that there will be addons and modules...
Be patient... and don't insist if there's not your favorite aircraft yet... it will be! :thumbsup:
I think the USAF workhorses are a good choice for the first part.
All are good well known jets, which are currently active.
Being well known there will be more info for the dev team to work with.
Additional work for carrier jets and huds/avionics other countries can then be worked on, whilst we fly the USAF stuff.
Other jets either become more and more obscure - and hence less marketable for an initial release, or are not yet in service, so there is very little detail ablut them to work from.
(Still, Harriers, Jags and Tornadoes - hmmmm, now that would be a nice expansion package... :lol: )
McHighlander,
I read the FAQ all right. I was just proposing to the FO devs to be a little different from their main competitors, for the benefits of 1/- the community and 2/-their balace sheet.
If Lock-on had done a sim with only the F16 flyable, the success would have been far more weaker.
Cordially,
Buck,
I was wondering something?
Many sims and communities exists. Most of these having the same fan base, which means that when you fly Falcon, you usually fly Lock-on.
Those two, among many others, have the F15, A10 and F16 already. So why not pick up other aircrafts to look a little different from your competitors.
for instance, it's has been long time since we didn't see Harrier or F14 Tomcat sims (since 2 seaters won't be an addon, but in the core of the pogram). Beeing in the business, you know that these are the most requested by the way :mrgreen:
You began to answer this question, by claiming that very few planes specs were available. but in this example, I'm sure there are plenty, as these planes are 30 years old and very popular. Besides, very easy to find pilots that have been piloting theses birds for years.
I'd be interested to read your answer. I know you might say, they are on top of the list, but why not put them in front of F16 anf F15. This is a very ojective question, as I'm more a Mirage and Rafale planes. I just wanted to reflect the average simmers requests :)
Cordially, :thumbsup:
Alex
Maybe the F-14 will be flyable in "Naval Ops"??? :-p
McHighlander
03-14-2004, 15:14
McHighlander,
I read the FAQ all right. I was just proposing to the FO devs to be a little different from their main competitors, for the benefits of 1/- the community and 2/-their balace sheet.
If Lock-on had done a sim with only the F16 flyable, the success would have been far more weaker.
Cordially,
I think that making up an hardcore flight sim like this project would be is extremely difficult. You need a lot of flight datas to get it "real".
F15, F16 and A10 are the most popular aircraft for the community and these are the right answer!
The community... this is an other problem... If you need to convice the community about the goodness of your FM and avionic you should give it an aircraft that it knows very well... :thumbsup:
After having fine tuned the "reality" of your FM and avionic thanks to community support and suggestions... you should concentrate on other new toys to add.
McHighlander,
You've got a point but I would qualify your opinion. The F16, 15 and A10 might not be the mots popular around the community, but simply the only flyable planes, except for the F18.
From a "popular" POV, as you have pointed, I would definitely rank F14 as number one, being the hero of a 500M$ movie. I've never seen any movie with an F15, neither with the F16 (exception of the crap called, Iron eagle). F14 had "Top Gun" and "Final Countdown". Another could be "Flight of the Intruder" with the A6 as a bomber, not the A10 :mrgreen:
Popular you said? Well try to count how many Tomcat website lies on the net and you'll get an idea.
Again, I personaly would love to see Mirage and Rafale, but I'm trying to be objective here, which is why I am mentioning the tomcat.
Anyway, I still enjoys very much these valuable exchange of point of view :thumbsup:
Buckshot
03-15-2004, 02:45
The Tomcat is certainly a popular aircraft, more popular than the F15/F16? I doubt it. Regardless though, modelling the tomcat brings a whole new set of complexities in carrier operations etc, which is why it would be left until a naval ops package later down the track.
SabreOne
03-15-2004, 03:29
Yet another cool idea for fighterops sinse we are (well we were) talking about gobal modeling is have test aircraft and airports, edwards airforce base, and the nevada desert with area 51. we could fly aircraft like SR-71, f-5, f-104, x-29, the JSFers, all those x-planes. We could even start a test squadron. That would be pretty damn awesome to fly mach 3 at 80.000 feet in a sr-71 over the US and around the world. And if we had the 2 seat mode deal you could fly with your friend no less.
Vlerkies
03-15-2004, 04:22
That sounds like a great idea, but i'm not too sure on Area 51 though, still highly classified
:military:
~S~
Buckshot
03-15-2004, 04:34
Damn they've discovered our secret project...
UFO Ops :wink:
**Just Kidding!!**
Buckshot shame on you letting out secrets like that :shock: :shock: :-p
McHighlander,
...I've never seen any movie with an F15, neither with the F16 (exception of the crap called, Iron eagle). F14 had "Top Gun" and "Final Countdown". Another could be "Flight of the Intruder" with the A6 as a bomber, not the A10 :mrgreen: :thumbsup:
"Airforce one" has some excellent Eagle bits in it.
But I agree that the Iron Eagle series needs putting on the same shelf as the Monty Python videos....
Vlerkies
03-15-2004, 05:11
Damn they've discovered our secret project...
UFO Ops :wink:
**Just Kidding!!**
:lol: :lol:
:drink: A cold one on me mate
:military:
~S~
McHighlander,
...I've never seen any movie with an F15, neither with the F16 (exception of the crap called, Iron eagle). F14 had "Top Gun" and "Final Countdown". Another could be "Flight of the Intruder" with the A6 as a bomber, not the A10 :mrgreen: :thumbsup:
"Airforce one" has some excellent Eagle bits in it.
But I agree that the Iron Eagle series needs putting on the same shelf as the Monty Python videos....
Don't you insult the culte Monty Python series, it changed my life :wink:
Vlerkies
03-15-2004, 05:29
It changed my life :D
:military:
~S~
McHighlander
03-15-2004, 15:19
Hey Pilots, read this and tell me what do you think :drink:
http://fighterops.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=147
as I said before, I think that is an excellent idea :D
Raptorman
03-18-2004, 16:33
That sounds like a great idea, but i'm not too sure on Area 51 though, still highly classified
:military:
~S~
Project Phoenix will cover Area 51, we're currently modeling Groom Lake airbase ;)
Vlerkies
03-19-2004, 00:46
Well in that case it's great then
That sounds like a great idea, but i'm not too sure on Area 51 though, still highly classified
:military:
~S~
Project Phoenix will cover Area 51, we're currently modeling Groom Lake airbase ;)
Your IP is being watched Raptorman :wink:
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