How FO will manage "Hyper Realism" in Career and A

[Bladehawk]

Will the pilots carreer (gain ranks) be hyper realistic ? or will it be like falcon4 ? :-p

and ...
About medals....
I think the problem isn´t only to get the AFC medal after 80 AG kills (enemy building, vehicles, dogs, cats...) and 5 AA kils, the problem is that each medal has is own meaning, and the "problem" is for the Simulation to know when the pilot has been involved in a situation that a specific medal is in order.
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AFC
Awarded for extraordinary heroism not justifying the award of a Medal of Honor, to any person, who while serving with the U.S. Air Force while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States in not a belligerent party.

Awarded for extraordinary heroism... HOW TO SIMULATE THAT WHAT WAS THE EVENT IN THE MISSION THAT WAS CONSIDERED ESTRAORDINARY . CAN´T BE JUST FOR POUNDING THE +70 GROUND TARGETS WITH CLUSTERS...


SILVER STAR
Award: Awarded for each Citation received by US Air Force personnel for gallantry in action not sufficient to warrant the Medal of Honor or the Distinguished Service Cross. The Silver Star is currently awarded by all branches of the armed forces to any person who, while serving in any capacity, is cited for gallantry in action
against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly forces against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Gallantry in action, how to simulat that???!!!

DFC
Award: This medal is awarded to any officer or enlisted man of the armed forces of the United States who shall have distinguished himself by "heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in an aerial flight,
subsequent to November 11, 1918." The decoration may also be given for an act performed prior to November 11, 1918, when the individual has been recommended for, but has not received the Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, Navy Cross, or Distinguished Service Medal.
Subsequent awards of the Distinguished Flying Cross are indicated by oak-leaf clusters for Army and Air Force personnel and by additional award stars for members of the Naval services.
During wartime, members of the armed forces of friendly foreign nations serving with the United States are eligible for the D.F.C. It is also given to those who display heroism while working as instructors or students at flying schools.

"...heroism or extraordinary achievement" and this???

Airman Medal
Award: This decoration, one of several Air Force awards established by Congress, and takes the place of the Soldier's Medal for Air Force personnel. It is awarded to any member of the armed forces of the United States or of a friendly nation who, while serving in any capacity with the United States Air Force after the date of the award's authorization, shall have distinguished himself or herself bya heroic act
, usually at the voluntary risk of his or her lifebut not involving actual combat.
The same degree of Heroism is required as for the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Medals are memories of the human will, and shoul not be taken so lightly...

[Golf33]

"extraordinary achievement" can be reasonably linked to kills during a mission as well as successfully fighting and/or landing a damaged aircraft.

"heroism" to me indicates perseverance in the face of great danger - so this could be measured by the number of times the pilot was engaged, and by what types of threat, and of course whether the mission was accomplished. Perhaps something a little like the DF "Ace Factor" already in Falcon 4? Also points for successfully fighting and/or landing a damaged aircraft.

"gallantry" I am not sure of, but possibly preventing the destruction of friendly forces by engaging the threat where the pilot must place him/her self in danger to do so? For example, shooting down an enemy fighter that was engaging another friendly flight, or bombing ground forces that were threatening friendlies, while at the same time being under threat as measured under "heroism".

I think medals should probably be separate from promotion. After all, medals often get awarded for fairly extraordinarily risky behaviour that you wouldn't necessarily want in a commander - plus they are often posthumous. In fact it would be a good idea to end a pilot career if the pilot gets killed, but save the logbook in a 'hall of memory' or similar and award medals for the flight that resulted in the death if they are warranted.

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[Buckshot]

Yeah, good points there, Medals are tricky to do in a realsitic manner. The way falcon awards medals is particularly poor. To get the higher medals in falcon you generally would have to go "lone wolf" destroying a large number of enemy ground and air in the same mission, IRL this would probably be more likely to earn you a court-martial.

Ideally medals would be awarded for teamwork, situations like protecting your wingman in extremely difficult circumstances etc, completing the mission without exposing flight members to unnecessary risk.

[Golf33]

Eh-up. Quite correct, the tricky bit - as I have tried to make a start in my post above - is to develop criteria which are measurable using data available in the game. Things like 'protecting wingman' are easily intuited by a human but often quite hard to explain to a computer :)

It seems to be pretty heavily dependent on how your game system is structured, what kinds of data you're prepared to keep hanging around in memory, and of course what you can calculate numerically. I of course don't know enough to make concrete suggestions on how to structure these things but am generally pretty good at brainstorming ideas to fit an established system.

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[Golf33]

completing the mission without exposing flight members to unnecessary risk.Agree in general terms except for this. Completing mission without exposing flight members to unnecessary risk is the job description of a combat pilot therefore should not be rewarded with medals that are by definition for exceptional behaviour. Failure to do so should probably rule out medals but I don't at this stage see how you can attach numbers to that.

Completing mission without risk is however a pretty good criteria for promotion :)

You need particularly to have a clear definition of "risk" and "mission achievement" before looking at medals etc.

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