when was Genavsimulations founded

[tdbone1]

the reason i ask is because i am thinking if genavsimulations is fairly a new co. as i cant find anything bout it on google.

but on the main fighterops.com website it says

[/quote]G2Interactive is partnering with GenAvSimulations, a privately owned development corporation that is experienced in high fidelity simulations[/quote]

but if the Co. is new it would be hard to get to much exp in high fidelity sims.

i dont know im just a little confused as its hard to get any info accept what we get from G2I and in some of that info it kinda contradicts itself.

please give little more info if possible.

[MeanGreeny]

No reply to this ?

For the staff of this board: One of the more concerning aspects to this new venture is the lack of detail about GenAvSimulations. Are they a sort of 3D vaporware ? :D

The reply "GenAvSim is a private owned company that is willing to help us accomplish our quest, more information will be available the moment we have the window of opportunity to do so." begs the question "Why isn't now the Window of Opportunity ?"

I'll make it easy for you:

If they exist - point to something that tells me they're older than 5 minutes and are genuinely a company experienced in this sort of venture.
If they don't exist - Do nothing as usual

If you're not concerned that I'm concerned then you should be concerned about your communication skills :roll:

[Jaker]

Perhaps GenAvSim is a company not centered on "entretaiment software" like would be the sims that we know. Perhaps they develop sims to different air forces and now they want to try something different... :?

It's only a theory :roll:

[gharper1]

Perhaps GenAvSim is a company not centered on "entretaiment software" like would be the sims that we know. Perhaps they develop sims to different air forces and now they want to try something different... :?

It's only a theory :roll:

exactly

for all we know they're a super secret black ops organization providing simulators for SD-6 or they're some guy with no money and no internet site who claims to be something he's not, or anything in between.

this should be pretty a simple question, where are they from?

[Pacman]

No reply to this ?

For the staff of this board: One of the more concerning aspects to this new venture is the lack of detail about GenAvSimulations. Are they a sort of 3D vaporware ? :D

The reply "GenAvSim is a private owned company that is willing to help us accomplish our quest, more information will be available the moment we have the window of opportunity to do so." begs the question "Why isn't now the Window of Opportunity ?"

I'll make it easy for you:

If they exist - point to something that tells me they're older than 5 minutes and are genuinely a company experienced in this sort of venture.
If they don't exist - Do nothing as usual

If you're not concerned that I'm concerned then you should be concerned about your communication skills :roll:

Noop, I'm not worried about my communicationskills and I'm not even worried about your assumptions.
As much as we want you to support us, just as much would we like to respect our bussinesspartners, and this wil benefit all of us.

[SelfDefense]

No reply to this ?

For the staff of this board: One of the more concerning aspects to this new venture is the lack of detail about GenAvSimulations. Are they a sort of 3D vaporware ? :D

The reply "GenAvSim is a private owned company that is willing to help us accomplish our quest, more information will be available the moment we have the window of opportunity to do so." begs the question "Why isn't now the Window of Opportunity ?"

I'll make it easy for you:

If they exist - point to something that tells me they're older than 5 minutes and are genuinely a company experienced in this sort of venture.
If they don't exist - Do nothing as usual

If you're not concerned that I'm concerned then you should be concerned about your communication skills :roll:

*sigh* getting tired of reading all of this negativity. Be patient and be happy, damn it!

:roll:

SD

[MeanGreeny]

Pacman,

What assumptions ? I made none. Point them out to me in your next post.

I'm trying not to be negative but the position adopted by Fighter Ops makes it difficult to be positive and engender our support. You can believe that or not as you like. You can even assume it.

I would have been first in the queue to buy OIR and I'll be up there to get whatever comes out of this venture but.....

If you haven't heard the saying "once bitten, twice shy" you haven't been paying attention to the forums.

I wouldn't be able to contribute to Fighter Ops - I just don't get the free time - so the only way I can contribute is to make damn sure I buy it so that some of the people round here get a few quid in their pocket for a change. That includes you.

What I don't want to see is the skinners, coders, tilers, editors etc get shafted.

I'll shut up now since I'd hate to be branded as "negative" i.e. I have a different viewpoint to the "complacent" guy above, but I'll leave you with one thought: You ask a lot by asking for a persons trust - don't let people down.

[Pacman]

When using the word "vaporware" it has become a known term, and this was interpreted by me as an assumption, if it wasn't then I apologise.

I know what you mean by "once bitten, twice shy", and this is totally understandable.

People ask me for information about GenAvSims, I can't give this information, if I wan't to respect this bussinesspartner.
There will be certain things that will need to remain private because this still has a bussiness-side.

I'm pretty sure I've said the same thing already in several other threads.

As the project evolves I will be able to give you more information.

And you are not negative, AFAI can tell you are supportive but remain sceptical.

[gharper1]

I can certainly appreciate why a new business in the flight sim world would want to keep a distance, at least initially. and especially in the present environment. I at least am not asking for a detailed chronology of the history of this new partner, or an email address so I can harass some poor guy, or a past project list so I can critique their work, or the specific details of contracts or anything.

just _some_ gesture, _any_ gesture would be appreciated. Surely there is some public record of the mere existence of this corporation? and surely giving us info that is already public record isn't a big deal?
I don't think we should have to undertake an investigation and check with the filings in 50 different Secretary of State's offices and their equivalent in other nations in order to find out some extremely basic information about a company that has seen fit to take an interest in our little niche hobbyworld.

I'd be the first to welcome them aboard, if they would be so kind as to tell me who they are. I like to know who I'm addressing, I'm funny that way ;)

[Firebird]

Hi Pacman,

just wrote an answer to another thread but let me kind of repeat here:

Of course it is strange that you take care of another ones business by NOT mentioning anything about it. This community is not stupid and of course no one has a reason at hand why you take care of your partner by not mentioning anything about him, so the scepsis is natural.
Maybe you could have explained in general how a business partner would like to remain cloaked (unless he is a criminal of course)
;o)
You certainly understand my approach trying to point out to you that your kind of refusing information rises scepsis.



And guys:
Give them a chance to explain all that without tearing them apart in midair, would you? I know they didn´t look bright in the past but who knows what resons that had? Maybe it was just bad-luck combined with missjudgement, has happened to all of us before, hasn´t it?

I certainly agree that a disclosure or some kind of public analysis why that Falcon OIR-project and its PR went such horrible would certainly be another good step to regain community trust.....

Thx for your attention,
Yours,

[macman]

This is exactly what me got wondering about GenAvSims after not founding a piece of info about them...

Still I have the feeling that G2I hass a card up their sleeves. When Falcon was released years ago i did the review for a games magazine together with an F-16 pilot. Next day he invited me to have a flight in their instrument trainer to compare realism. The sim had a full scale cockpit and large projectionscreen and all instruments were functional and driven by several computers (Silicon Graphics as i recall well). The graphics were poor, but it had a worldwide database with all navaids and while i was already in flight this pilot programmed in some nasty bogey's (Su27) which took me down very quickly...

Somehow i have the feeling that GenAvSims is the sort of company that makes that kind of stuff. Also because I recall that Haole (the F-16 driver on these forums) was replying that the project is already around the corner and they keep hamering on ultra realism...

[Predator[23rd]]

Hmmm... Not that I am an expert in military software but somehow I can't believe in such a partner with military background. Military software (and hardware) has totaly different design goals as commercial stuff has and I don't think it is easy to join the best of both worlds.

BTW, when I read postings here full of scepsis where the posters claims to be the most positive guy in the world and sets his apart from some extremely negative guys I get sick. Are you out of your minds? In RL and especially in the business world your "partners" will ask you several questions: the first and most important will be "what is my gain? how much money will I make out of it?" the next questions will concentrate on possible traps on your way and mistakes you will make. The positive and good sides do come last. They are always taken for granted. But the most important thing why your "partner" tries to be the greates asshole is because he will absolutly make sure you succeed so he himself gets what you are promising him. You all know the saying "hope for the best, prepare for the worst". How can you prepare yourself with pink glasses on??? To find every weak point you have to be aggressive and negative. Once you have done that there is plenty of time to be positive but NOT BEFORE.

Even if I will be branded as the most negative guy around and most of you wont believe in my honest wish that this project succeeds I will criticise this project until it stands on solid grounds. And when it is finished I will get a few copies of this badass MF <point>

[Sobriquet]

Hmmm... Not that I am an expert in military software but somehow I can't believe in such a partner with military background. Military software (and hardware) has totaly different design goals as commercial stuff has and I don't think it is easy to join the best of both worlds.

What about 'America's Army'? Granted, it was a marketing tool for the army, but it still was a miltary endeavor produced for mainstream consumption.

[gharper1]

Hmmm... Not that I am an expert in military software but somehow I can't believe in such a partner with military background. Military software (and hardware) has totaly different design goals as commercial stuff has and I don't think it is easy to join the best of both worlds.

What about 'America's Army'? Granted, it was a marketing tool for the army, but it still was a miltary endeavor produced for mainstream consumption.

agreed

I have friends in several of the services who are going thru or have recently gone thru flight training and they all have some familiarity with jane's f18, falcon, the usnavy has a cd with the trainer aircraft on it for MSFS that they give out too.

so assuming genavsimsulations is involved with military applications, its not a stretch to imagine they may be interested in the entertainment market too. especially if they retain the right to use whatever advancements made here in their commercial and military applications too. of course thats just speculation. facts would be nice. but I can be patient.

actually I can't be patient, I just have too much other crap to worry about for the next few weeks. stupid real life gettin in the way of my flight sim hobby :x :x :x

so instead of patient, consider me distracted instead :-p

[Pappie]

T's question is the mystery we're thinking about. I think we have to assume the Claude and the team know full well how long it takes to build a game, yet they claim they will pull off a sim in record time. This tells us they have some code to play with. Does it come from a military sim? How else could they claim "Hifidelity" and these guys know what they are saying when they use that term. Hence the conclusion drawn is that it has to be some military simulator software. This new company could be just that, a few sim code writers teaming together and forming a new unheard of company to write some new base code. Lot of them out of work right now unless they follow their jobs to India. It could be a sim company that has worked for the gov for years, who knows. Doesn't matter! All we can do is watch and cheer from the side lines. I for one have been ready to move on from F4 for a long time. I want a more emersive experience, triple monitor support for surround vision, and a terrain that looks real when I'm on the deck. I want real weather with wonderful clouds to fly through and around. I want true voice command interactivity with the tower, awac, and other pilots. And I want to be deployed anywhere in the world I want to be.
So G2, if you can do it, go brothers go, bring it on, Pappie's a waitin! :thumbsup:

[bandit]

Dangerous waters the naval sim it's an example of a military developer software who mades a game simulator for the enterteinment market.And i think the product it's a very high level in "realistic" acuracy.
I think we must to be patient and wait they give to us more information about this new product.Since that we must "wait and see" :mrgreen: