View Full Version : New flash intro to TM's Warthog
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http://www.thrustmaster.com/
You can even see it on the product page. Next update... tomorrow !!!!
BHawthorne
05-18-2010, 20:00
I'd prefer less flash and more release to stores. :)
Interesting. thx. :smile:
BHawthorne
05-20-2010, 20:38
" €399 "
Thanks, but no thanks... The reason why flight simulations as a whole have such a shrinking userbase is that they never target good hardware at the masses. The price of entry to the "club" is too high.
There are other sticks people could buy. If I was just joining the "club" I wouldn't go out and buy a expensive set-up. People can buy the X52, that's not to bad.
BHawthorne
05-21-2010, 18:33
I'm jsut saying that full lighted panel kits cost that much or even a fully built simpit tub. It is a bit rich. The idea should be to make simulation use more accessable not more elitist imho. I really think they missed the mass market with that price point. It's good that is exists though and I'm excited to see how DCS: A-10C turns out. :smile:
coder1024
05-25-2010, 07:57
there are already tons of mass-market joysticks which would work very well for someone at an entry level price. there's no need to make yet another low end joystick. I think last I checked you could pick up an adequate flight stick for $30.
the whole point of this is a high fidelity product and I think there is a market for it. look at all the people that spend crazy amounts of money making sim pits :)
Logan9773
05-25-2010, 11:48
The problem is that the cheap joysticks are just that: CHEAP.
There is one good joystick that I have that I paid $9.99 for. Yep 10 bucks.
The problem is that it is no longer made and its 15 pin. I would kill for one that is usb. Its called the Raptor Firestick. It has 8 buttons, a throttle, and a rudder. Its shaped just right ( similiar to the F4 joystick ), and it has a molded rubber base-sleeve that makes it stiff and good for flight sims.
Why can't anyone make a joystick like this for near that price anymore? Its only about 10 years old. I keep looking at joysticks and their ridiculous in price. Furthermore, they have very loose bases that are no good for flight sims ( even though they were supposedly made for such! ). CH products and the X52 in particular. The only joystick I see that is any good for flight sims is Thrustmaster's cougar, and its price is outrageous! Plus, then you need rudder pedals that also have outrageous prices. Then add in head tracking and you might as well forget it. Sims are for rich people.
coder1024
05-25-2010, 14:27
Well, its like that for any hobby. The more you get into it, the more you can spend. You can always buy higher end products to support the enjoyment of the hobby.
If you want to pay little, there are plenty of offerings there. If you want high-quality, there are some there, not as many, but you're going to pay for it. Either way you have choices. Its just a matter of how much you want to spend and what level of quality you're insisting on :)
The new A-10 HOTAS is a product targeted at those looking for a higher end HOTAS. It looks like they're delivering a higher end product and so it makes sense that they're going to charge more for it.
The problem is that the cheap joysticks are just that: CHEAP.
There is one good joystick that I have that I paid $9.99 for. Yep 10 bucks.
The problem is that it is no longer made and its 15 pin. I would kill for one that is usb. Its called the Raptor Firestick. It has 8 buttons, a throttle, and a rudder. Its shaped just right ( similiar to the F4 joystick ), and it has a molded rubber base-sleeve that makes it stiff and good for flight sims.
Why can't anyone make a joystick like this for near that price anymore? Its only about 10 years old. I keep looking at joysticks and their ridiculous in price. Furthermore, they have very loose bases that are no good for flight sims ( even though they were supposedly made for such! ). CH products and the X52 in particular. The only joystick I see that is any good for flight sims is Thrustmaster's cougar, and its price is outrageous! Plus, then you need rudder pedals that also have outrageous prices. Then add in head tracking and you might as well forget it. Sims are for rich people.
Have you ever heard of Velcro? I have a CH set-up and it works great and I don't use valcro.
BHawthorne
05-25-2010, 20:17
My theory is that all the good stuff is priced out of the hands of the casual users. I believe part of the reason why flight simulation has suffered in the last few years as a genre is because of that. It's not because people are lazy and want arcade games. It's also not because flight sims have too much of a learning curve either IMHO. Pretty much the only stuff I've seen lately with decent price is Saitek.
Logan9773
05-26-2010, 12:55
Saitek has a decent joystick for a not exactly horrible price, its just that it really needs a facelift, and it needs to have stiffening device like a rubber sleeve put on it. I mean, its just ugly to me. It looks like some gay buck rogers thing that was meant to attract an 8 year old. Actually, almost all of the mid range sticks look like that. If they would make it more like the cougar or even my old firestick, I MIGHT think about buying it for their price. No way am I going to buy a cougar for what they want. $50 is about my limit for a hotas. I might give $30 for some rudder pedals. And I'd probably give about $30 for head tracking.
That is what is killing PC gaming and Sims in general, the ridiculous cost of Hardware. No wonder all the PC gaming companies are wanting to program first for consoles, and then PC's as an afterthought. I hate it, but hardware cost is killing the PC market.
Logan9773
05-26-2010, 15:00
I'm jsut saying that full lighted panel kits cost that much or even a fully built simpit tub. It is a bit rich. The idea should be to make simulation use more accessable not more elitist imho. I really think they missed the mass market with that price point. It's good that is exists though and I'm excited to see how DCS: A-10C turns out. :smile:
Yeah, I can probably count on one hand the people who are going to buy it for that price.
You mean people like BHawthorne who buy themselves jet fuselages for fun ;)
Imho there is a broad supply of Hotas and stuff. Not everybody needs a €400 stick, a TH2Go plus three TFTs and a TrackIR. But i do. And the fact that the market provides me with these high fidelity products just to make my hobby more enjoyable ist pretty cool. That doesn't mean that someone who is in a better frame of mind can't enjoy flightsims with a $40 logitech stick or any saitek ebay bargain.
Same goes for any other PC game btw. You can play COD and Crysis on any decent computer but it makes a heck of a lot more fun to play it on a fast machine...
Logan9773
05-27-2010, 11:01
Mmm, thats the problem. The $40 sticks are pretty much crap. Definitely not worth $40. As for Ebay, you never know what your getting. Junk with worn out potentiometers, etc. If they want people to play sims, they need to come way down on the hardware prices. As for Crysis, its no worse than trying to play BlackShark on a slow PC, but at least you don't have to spend a thousand more to get the extra hardware.
I dont see how hardware costs are the problem.
Games are released at about $50-$70.
The Saitek X52 you can easily get for about $75-80. And it is perfectly capable of handling all functions in FC2/BS.
Anyone who is complaining about hardware costs is just a whiner.
BHawthorne
05-29-2010, 09:27
I dont see how hardware costs are the problem.
Games are released at about $50-$70.
The Saitek X52 you can easily get for about $75-80. And it is perfectly capable of handling all functions in FC2/BS.
Anyone who is complaining about hardware costs is just a whiner.
Yes, I'm a whiner, but I'm entitled to my whiny b!tch opinion on the matter. :tongue:
I also have a problem with games costing $50-80. It's driving people to piracy. Most $50-80 games are NOT worth $50-80. I pick up 90% of my games as Steam 66-75% off specials. There are a few games that are worthy exceptions, but they're a rare commodity. I WILL buy FO at whatever price it ends up with as there will be nothing as an alternative to it.
You are entitled to you opinion, but what do you expect for a $40 stick? Seriously, its $40.
You get what you pay for.
You work do you not? Don't you think you deserve a fair wage for your services?
I of course will wait for reviews, but this looks like one sweet HOTAS. I hope they address all the faults of the Cougar.
And I hope they update the damn software!!!!
BHawthorne
06-09-2010, 01:28
You are entitled to you opinion, but what do you expect for a $40 stick? Seriously, its $40.
You get what you pay for.
You work do you not? Don't you think you deserve a fair wage for your services?
I of course will wait for reviews, but this looks like one sweet HOTAS. I hope they address all the faults of the Cougar.
And I hope they update the damn software!!!!
I don't expect a $40 stick. I expect people not to have to in some cases waste a week's worth of pay on a i/o device for their computer though. There needs to be a center ground between cheap crap and expensive crap. My pocketbook hurts from too much expensive crap. :tongue:
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