F-18F scores gun kill on F-22A

[LeL]

does anyone have some images of this?

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-33303.aspx

[Mobius]

I think this is a HUD capture of the one they were talking about:

http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tailhook_daily_briefing/WindowsLiveWriter/image_8.png

[LeL]

thanks

[A.S]

I think this is a HUD capture of the one they were talking about:

http://tailhookdaily.typepad.com/tailhook_daily_briefing/WindowsLiveWriter/image_8.png


Nice Shot .

[Cali]

Seen that a few months ago, it can happen to the best of pilots in the best jet.

[AngryDispatcher]

Seen that a few months ago, it can happen to the best of pilots in the best jet.

Especially when you're flying a profile that caters to the aggressor's training and not your own, and the Super Hornet breaks the ROE and flies right through the bubble to take a (nearly useless) HAGS snap shot.

I think this was covered in depth several years ago, but to refresh our memories, take a look at the HUD and tell me what you see.

I see a jet thats out of energy (179kt) at high AoA (20deg), out of plane, with insufficient lead, and he's got the trigger down WELL inside the 3000ft bubble. It is a nice pic of an F-22 though.

The Raptor was fighting fair, started from a defensive perch, and was probably moving through the Hornet's HUD with a very high LOS rate.

Not to mention the fact that the chances of a Super Hornet penetrating the Raptor's WEZ and making it to the merge are slim indeed.

[Speed]

It's dumb to make a big deal out of this. Name an aircraft that, including training exercises, has a kill ratio of infinity. It never happens. So an F-18F got lucky. Big deal.

Now, I'm not saying THIS TOPIC is dumb, but the people who say "see! the F-22 isn't so superior"- THOSE people are dumb.

[Dolarhyde]

Especially when you're flying a profile that caters to the aggressor's training and not your own, and the Super Hornet breaks the ROE and flies right through the bubble to take a (nearly useless) HAGS snap shot.

I think this was covered in depth several years ago, but to refresh our memories, take a look at the HUD and tell me what you see.

I see a jet thats out of energy (179kt) at high AoA (20deg), out of plane, with insufficient lead, and he's got the trigger down WELL inside the 3000ft bubble. It is a nice pic of an F-22 though.

The Raptor was fighting fair, started from a defensive perch, and was probably moving through the Hornet's HUD with a very high LOS rate.

Not to mention the fact that the chances of a Super Hornet penetrating the Raptor's WEZ and making it to the merge are slim indeed.

I also read some place that the Raptor was out of ordinance was was merely flying around "providing contact information" to the other blue team members. By all accounts, except the Hornet pilot's, it was a lucky 1 in a 1,000 shot.

[SpinKick]

Nice frame shot. I would make a large bet that it wasn't there for long! :smile:

I friend of my is a former F-16 pilot. He had the chance to go up against the raptor. When he couldn't get a lock, he managed to keep a visual on it and shut his radar down (or at least quit transmitting). when he got close enough a VERY brief (his words) engagement with guns. Afterwards, he said it just "disappeared"! :thumb:

At some point afterwards he was called in to explain just how he got 4 frames of the raptor in the gun sights. He was commended for his results.

To hear him tell it is FAR better than what I described. It's an awesome story.

[raptor]

In a snap shot you'll need at least 12 frames on the camera for characterizing it a hit. And that is for close distance, frame captures required increase as distance increase.

[SpinKick]

In a snap shot you'll need at least 12 frames on the camera for characterizing it a hit. And that is for close distance, frame captures required increase as distance increase.

He didn't say it was a kill. Again, he'd have to tell it to get all the details.

[flyboy22]

It's dumb to make a big deal out of this. Name an aircraft that, including training exercises, has a kill ratio of infinity. It never happens. So an F-18F got lucky. Big deal.

Now, I'm not saying THIS TOPIC is dumb, but the people who say "see! the F-22 isn't so superior"- THOSE people are dumb.

Well said.

Plus, we do a zillion different setups, many of which start with the other guy at a great disadvantage for the sake of learning the building blocks and/or specific objectives. T-38's have gunned Raptors in Heat to Guns exercises because the whole point of the exercise is for the "bandit" to provide a stable, unaware platform and GET gunned.

And even if both jets were full-up, dogfighting is an extremely difficult and dynamic experience. Any pilot can be beaten, as can any airplane.

But as a machine, the Raptor is second to none. :thumb:

[Cali]

flyboy22 are you in engines?

[raptor]

He didn't say it was a kill. Again, he'd have to tell it to get all the details.


F-18F scores gun kill on F-22A :smile:

[SpinKick]

F-18F scores gun kill on F-22A :smile:

I was referring to my friend (former USAFNG F-16 pilot, currently LTC) and his story. :tongue:

[flyboy22]

flyboy22 are you in engines?

Negative. Starting Rapor FTU in July :) Engines are sweet though! Especially them F-119's... holy cow they got it right with those.

[Cali]

Negative. Starting Rapor FTU in July :) Engines are sweet though! Especially them F-119's... holy cow they got it right with those.

Brain fart, I forget that, see ya this summer.

[raptor]

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/02/growler-power-ea-18g-boasts-f-.html

:wink2:

[flyboy22]

Brain fart, I forget that, see ya this summer.

Are you flyin Vipers at Luke?

[Cali]

Are you flyin Vipers at Luke?

No, but if you have a fuel problem, which you will, then you'll see me. Last week went out on a job and the pilot said he could take anymore then about 3,000 lbs from the tanker, he said it kept disconnecting. He had about 4,000 lbs onboard already with no bags. We politely told him the jet only holds about 7,000 lbs clean. It was his first solo flight so he was a little nervous, but you would think in a airplane it may be smart to know how much fuel you hold. I wonder if he even looked at his gauge when he started it up?

[flyboy22]

No, but if you have a fuel problem, which you will, then you'll see me. Last week went out on a job and the pilot said he could take anymore then about 3,000 lbs from the tanker, he said it kept disconnecting. He had about 4,000 lbs onboard already with no bags. We politely told him the jet only holds about 7,000 lbs clean. It was his first solo flight so he was a little nervous, but you would think in a airplane it may be smart to know how much fuel you hold. I wonder if he even looked at his gauge when he started it up?

Haha I wouldn't be too hard on him... your first solo is always pretty nerve racking... it's your life in your hands in a foreign environment with an expensive piece of machinery. It's easy to srew stuff up... I will be quite nervous when it's my turn, I assure you!

[Cali]

We didn't give him to hard of a time, but we had a good laugh when we got back in the truck and at the shop. That made my week...